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  • Pretty Boy Greg
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    #31
    Originally posted by mathed
    You jab with Floyd and move away from the counter right and keep your right hand up to block the left hook. I have seen Guerrero practicing this combination a lot in videos: jab, straight left, right hook to the body. Floyd will roll with the straight left leaving his left oblique exposed to the right hook of Guerrero. Once Floyd stops shoulder rolling so much due to fear of the right hook to the body, the Ghost will start focusing on the straight left.

    This won't be an easy fight for Floyd.
    floyd will not use the shoulder roll very much in this fight.. i see him coming in with a high guard up and walks guerrero down... it will look a lot like the ortiz fight... mayweather tk0 in 7


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    • mathed
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      #32
      Originally posted by Pretty Boy Greg
      floyd will not use the shoulder roll very much in this fight.. i see him coming in with a high guard up and walks guerrero down... it will look a lot like the ortiz fight... mayweather tk0 in 7


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      Maybe, I don't see Floyd stopping him though. Floyd has been getting tagged in sparring and I saw an interview with Floyd last night on ESPN and he looked like crap. His eyes were both puffy like he was sick, stressed or had gotten punches in the face. I don't think he is going to look "super impressive" in this fight tbh.

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      • Nahshon Israel
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        #33
        Originally posted by shogun1123
        My thoughts exactly...... He looks way bigger than Floyd...PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE SURPRISED.

        Floyd ALWAYS wears a hat to make himself look taller when standing in front of Guerrero. Guerrero easily has 2 inches on Floyd in height and he is just physically bigger period.
        Being fat is different than being physically bigger, strength, physique, & muscle wise. If your referring to the 1st video encounter, than yes Guerrero is bigger than Floyd "Fat".. Example Ortiz was physically bigger than Floyd. On fight night Ortiz came in a solid 165 muscle, whereas Guerrero has more fat. Fat does not translate to being the stronger more physical guy. Ortiz is also taller and physically bigger than Guerrero. Also more explosive in every facet of his game compared to Guerrero. Now cotto while not taller than Guerrero, is the more stronger physical guy @ the weight Floyd fought him @ 154, cotto's reach is identical with Guerrero . Take in account that Floyd has 2 1/2 inch reach advantage on Guerrero is a plus. Now since everyone wants to bring up Floyd's past fights, how about the damage Guerrero took vs Berto? Even though Guerrero was the clear winner, he still sustained a beating too, he just gave more to Berto. How about how he was hurt vs Selyck Adin a C fighter @ best. Or how he was down vs a shot Joel casamayor? Or when he quit? Once again being fatter does not actually make you the bigger " Stronger, Physical" guy.

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        • mathed
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          #34
          Originally posted by elijahlyric
          Being fat is different than being physically bigger, strength, physique, & muscle wise. If your referring to the 1st video encounter, than yes Guerrero is bigger than Floyd "Fat".. Example Ortiz was physically bigger than Floyd. On fight night Ortiz came in a solid 165 muscle, whereas Guerrero has more fat. Fat does not translate to being the stronger more physical guy. Ortiz is also taller and physically bigger than Guerrero. Also more explosive in every facet of his game compared to Guerrero. Now cotto while not taller than Guerrero, is the more stronger physical guy @ the weight Floyd fought him @ 154, cotto's reach is identical with Guerrero . Take in account that Floyd has 2 1/2 inch reach advantage on Guerrero is a plus. Now since everyone wants to bring up Floyd's past fights, how about the damage Guerrero took vs Berto? Even though Guerrero was the clear winner, he still sustained a beating too, he just gave more to Berto. How about how he was hurt vs Selyck Adin a C fighter @ best. Or how he was down vs a shot Joel casamayor? Or when he quit? Once again being fatter does not actually make you the bigger " Stronger, Physical" guy.
          Guerrero is physically bigger than Floyd is, he has broader shoulders and is taller. He is now leaned out and still in the lower 150's while Floyd is leaned out and under 150. Boxrec says they are the same height but Guerrero has at least an inch or two on him.

          Against Aydin, Guerrero hadn't fought in over a year, moved up in weight and was coming off of shoulder surgery fighting a guy who had never tasted defeat....he beat him too, didn't look spectacular but he beat him.

          Guerrero said early on that when standing next to Floyd, he was much bigger than Floyd was and that Berto was massive compared to Floyd. He said he didn't really know how Berto made 147.

          Against Casa....I don't think he wanted to hurt him and was taking it very easy on the old guy. It just so happens they are very good friends and often go out to dinner with their wives. He fought Casa to help the guy get a payday.

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            #35
            Originally posted by mathed
            Guerrero is physically bigger than Floyd is, he has broader shoulders and is taller. He is now leaned out and still in the lower 150's while Floyd is leaned out and under 150. Boxrec says they are the same height but Guerrero has at least an inch or two on him.

            Against Aydin, Guerrero hadn't fought in over a year, moved up in weight and was coming off of shoulder surgery fighting a guy who had never tasted defeat....he beat him too, didn't look spectacular but he beat him.

            Guerrero said early on that when standing next to Floyd, he was much bigger than Floyd was and that Berto was massive compared to Floyd. He said he didn't really know how Berto made 147.

            Against Casa....I don't think he wanted to hurt him and was taking it very easy on the old guy. It just so happens they are very good friends and often go out to dinner with their wives. He fought Casa to help the guy get a payday.
            Okay, sure!

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              #36
              Floyd fans: "He can't lose", 'he's unbeatable", "I once saw floyd shoulder roll out of the way of a 747 and 2 piece it".

              Listen we saw this with Chavez fans, we saw this with DLH fans, we saw this with Tyson fans, we saw this with Roy Jones fans..they all lose and it can happen on any given night. All I will say is had he fought Paul Williams when Williams was hunting him down for a fight he wouldn't have his zero and he knows that even if the fans cannot accept it.

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                #37
                The Ghost has to come to fight and he needs to be in shape. That's Floyd's biggest attribute imo. People say he adjusts, they say he adapts. But what I see is that around midpoint, when fighters start to fatigue and slow down, Floyd stays strong. Zab, Cotto and Oscar all had reasonable success, however stamina was also a major issue with all 3.

                That's why to this day I believe Floyd never fought Margarito or the Punisher. Cause those are or were the only 2 welterweights able to keep Floyd's pace and throw punches in bunches and keep their feet on the gas. If the Ghost can press the fight and fight the 2nd half of the fight just as good as the 1st half, he can get it done. but it's all up to conditioning.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by turnedup
                  Floyd fans: "He can't lose", 'he's unbeatable", "I once saw floyd shoulder roll out of the way of a 747 and 2 piece it".

                  Listen we saw this with Chavez fans, we saw this with DLH fans, we saw this with Tyson fans, we saw this with Roy Jones fans..they all lose and it can happen on any given night. All I will say is had he fought Paul Williams when Williams was hunting him down for a fight he wouldn't have his zero and he knows that even if the fans cannot accept it.
                  Perhaps if he thought more about Quintana and less about floyd he may have won that fight and gotten the floyd fight.

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                  • WESS
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                    #39
                    and when he makes it ugly we will see Mayweather shut him down and return it so badly that people forget that Guerrero made it ugly in the first place.

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                      #40
                      ORTIZ Was Roughing Up Floyd Junior, Before He Got ******!

                      Ortiz turned it into a street fight, he was dissing Junior, roughing him up, all over him not letting him relaz, until he got ****** on a break, dropped his hands, and looked away. Game over. Guerrero won't be ****** that way, has more killer instinct than Ortiz, will be stronger and cut the ring off, not letting Junior get off... this fight might actually end in 1 or 2 rounds with Guerrero shocking the world KO-ing Junior..... But there's no hurry. Guerrero can fight 20 rounds, in the shape of his life..... Floyd's show comes to an end.

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