Amir Khan vs. Danny Garcia II

[SpeedKillz]

after the mcclosky fight he looked poor,;- very next fight schools judah and knocks him out.


you cant base it solely on the last performance...

as the opponants get better, the better khan fights...

for diaz fight i honestly think he felt the pressure fighting home after 2 years...he also trainned like 130 rounds of sparing which was an overkill...

Diaz was tuff, solid chin and he gave the best performance of his life, all credit to him. There are too many people quick to bash khan on a poor showing but rather should be giving credit to diaz for a great performance.

if khan believes the pure and utter bs he spews about being elite and one of the best fighters in the world (ROFLMAO), then diaz's best performance on his best day ever in his life, should not scratch the surface of putting khan in danger, MULTIPLE TIMES! had the ref not been paid, or coerced, to watch after khan and make sure he gives him as much protection as possible, khan woulda been down multiple times, if not stopped, by julio diaz, who at one time was a very solid and good fighter, and still is, but a solid and a very good fighter should not have an elite, A class, one of the best fighters in the world, in so much danger, basically in every round after the 2nd half of the fight, no? its because khan doesnt have what it takes to compete at the elite level, and diaz showed us this, though the majority already knew that. jus cause khan has good mic skills and knows how to work a crowd, doesnt mean his in ring ability mimics his talking ability. he is a legend in his own mind, nothing more, nothing less. in boxing, he is a speedy B level fighter who will become a gatekeeper, hopefully, assuming he doesnt get severely and permanently injured, which i hope he does not!

[ma51f]

I understand that you are a Khan fan. I'm not going to knock you for that. You are free to support who you like. But you are trying to convince everyone that Khan is an elite fighter. Or at least better than Danny Garcia. And at this point in his career, it is very hard for us to believe that. To a normal person, saying "Khan is one of the best" would be weird.

Khan's speed has always impressed me, but you can't just get by with speed. Not in boxing. Speed is just one aspect of the sport. I mentioned this in other threads, but I believe timing will always beat speed. Fighters with great speed will probably win the first 3 or 4 rounds almost all the time. But once the fighter with the good timing gets used to the speed, he will time his punches accordingly. For example, Pacquiao's speed posed a threat to Marquez for the first half of the fight until Marquez landed the perfectly timed straight. Judah's speed posed a threat to Mayweather for the first 4 rounds until Mayweather got used to the speed and started timing him.

I think the first thing Khan needs to do is understand his weakness. He has a weak chin. That is clear as day. I won't knock Khan for having a weak chin. Some people are born with a good chin and some people just aren't. You can't blame a person for being born a certain way. But he needs to understand his weakness. If you have a weak chin, then improve your defense so you don't get hit there. Don't throw so many punches greedily and leave your chin open for so long. Be patient and don't go for the knockout or it won't come. Don't be fast with combinations, but be quick with one or two punches so you can instantly bring the gloves back to your face. The good fighters aren't the ones with good chins. The good fighters will never let you know. Unfortunately for Khan, the world knows. To be honest, I think it's too late for Khan to be considered an elite, unless he changes up his whole style. And I think it's too late for that. It's hard to remove yourself from the style you've been working with your whole life. I always thought it was Freddie Roach's no defense pattern, but he showed the same vulnerability with Virgil. To the TS, I don't know man. You say he's only 26, but 26 is a little too old to learn a whole new style of fighting. Especially when boxers are considered old at mid-thirties.

You're a Khan fan so I understand that you are going to support your fighter, but scientifically, or logically, it's kind of hard for the rest of us to vote for Khan.

I am not trying to convince anyone, I just wanted to put on record what everyone thinks what will happen when the fight gets made. I've not said khan is one of the best, my main point was most people onhere are bashing khan as if he’s some bum, I think its important to note that he does actually have a very good record, one that he can be proud of.

Very good point about timing and speed, although not fully I can to a certain extent accept and agree to that.

Khan is far from the perfect fighter, I agree. And accepting his weakness of a weak chin is a must. Has he done that? No but im sure as you can understand every boxer has some sort of ego and proudness..To admit you have a weak chin and still get in that ring must be tough.

I agree totally with you in regards to not throwing so many punches, being patient and always holding a tight high card. I also agree it could be late to completely change his style so any small improvements he can make would be great;- If I was his coach I would continue that attacking aggressive approach with the quick hands but not throw too many combo’s. Khan’s problem is he tries to win every second of every round, he needs to understand and know when he’s done enough to already secure the round and take the remainder of the round easy.


But on Garcia I honestly think khan would completely outbox the guy and stop him in a rematch. He cuts up very easily and not the quickest. That shot he threw was khan’s own doing by leaping from so far out.

The rematch will be made, there is too much money on the table for Garcia not too.

[ma51f]

if khan believes the pure and utter bs he spews about being elite and one of the best fighters in the world (ROFLMAO), then diaz's best performance on his best day ever in his life, should not scratch the surface of putting khan in danger, MULTIPLE TIMES! had the ref not been paid, or coerced, to watch after khan and make sure he gives him as much protection as possible, khan woulda been down multiple times, if not stopped, by julio diaz, who at one time was a very solid and good fighter, and still is, but a solid and a very good fighter should not have an elite, A class, one of the best fighters in the world, in so much danger, basically in every round after the 2nd half of the fight, no? its because khan doesnt have what it takes to compete at the elite level, and diaz showed us this, though the majority already knew that. jus cause khan has good mic skills and knows how to work a crowd, doesnt mean his in ring ability mimics his talking ability. he is a legend in his own mind, nothing more, nothing less. in boxing, he is a speedy B level fighter who will become a gatekeeper, hopefully, assuming he doesnt get severely and permanently injured, which i hope he does not!

Which fighter doesn’t talk bullcrap? Every single fighter talk ****s. Every fighter has that huge ego and thinks he’s the best. So im not too sure why khan gets crucified for this almost more than anyone? Plus boxing is a business, more crap you talk the more interest in the fight there will be…

Khan has already fought at the elite level, unified the titles and arguably been ranked no.1 in the division.

[SpeedKillz]

Which fighter doesn’t talk bullcrap? Every single fighter talk ****s. Every fighter has that huge ego and thinks he’s the best. So im not too sure why khan gets crucified for this almost more than anyone? Plus boxing is a business, more crap you talk the more interest in the fight there will be…

Khan has already fought at the elite level, unified the titles and arguably been ranked no.1 in the division.

for real? you're actually not sure, or you're not sure because you are blinded by being a huge fan? which is it?

the reason khan gets crucified is because of the way he projects he shit talking, and then goes out there and gets touched and starts doin the noodle leg dance, and running around the ring like a lost deer in headlights. yea most fighters talk crap, and they back it up to some degree. only thing khan backs up is his willingness to fight the best, which he deserves credit for. but as far as talkin smack, he is a fool, plain and simple. almost like he tries to convince himself that he is the best at everything and everyone should see him as the best in the world, and then BAM! love tap to the chin, stanky leg time.

i mean he said he woulda KOd garcia if he fought the same way that he fought that very night...against.... 135 pound feather fisted CARLOS MOLINA!! gtfo dude, khan is a clown and he has nothing to back up his shit talking with, and never will

[ma51f]

for real? you're actually not sure, or you're not sure because you are blinded by being a huge fan? which is it?

the reason khan gets crucified is because of the way he projects he shit talking, and then goes out there and gets touched and starts doin the noodle leg dance, and running around the ring like a lost deer in headlights. yea most fighters talk crap, and they back it up to some degree. only thing khan backs up is his willingness to fight the best, which he deserves credit for. but as far as talkin smack, he is a fool, plain and simple. almost like he tries to convince himself that he is the best at everything and everyone should see him as the best in the world, and then BAM! love tap to the chin, stanky leg time.

i mean he said he woulda KOd garcia if he fought the same way that he fought that very night...against.... 135 pound feather fisted CARLOS MOLINA!! gtfo dude, khan is a clown and he has nothing to back up his shit talking with, and never will

I'm a boxing fan. I am a fan of Amir Khan the boxer;- when he's in that ring. why? because he throws alot of shots, weak chin so can always get knocked out, lightning quick hands and pretty much every fight he's in is exciting.

Outside that ring I could care less. I happen to think as a person Khan is a right arrogant twat, a complete moron but i dont know him personnaly, just from i can see but either way I'm here for the boxing and nothing else...

[Boxing Bob]

It's ignorant to think Khan is going to go 12 rds with Garcia and not get KTFO. Garcias got power is both hands and the resolve of an undefeated fighter. Khan has speed, speed and more speed. Garcia might be behind on the cards (maybe even way behind), but somewhere over 12 rds he connects with a bomb Khan can't handle

[SpeedKillz]

I'm a boxing fan. I am a fan of Amir Khan the boxer;- when he's in that ring. why? because he throws alot of shots, weak chin so can always get knocked out, lightning quick hands and pretty much every fight he's in is exciting.

Outside that ring I could care less. I happen to think as a person Khan is a right arrogant twat, a complete moron but i dont know him personnaly, just from i can see but either way I'm here for the boxing and nothing else...

ok fair enough. i agree with you about what you wrote about khan, weak chin and can get KOd at any moment and all. for me, the way he carries himself is disgusting considering where he stands as far as being elite. he has been hyped and a fraud for some time, and now its being uncovered, but he is trying to pull the wool over the sheeps eyes, if you will, and still make everyone believe he is so great blah blah. its cool youre a fan of his and all, but you DO make ****** remarks that danny doesnt have the balls to fight him, khan would KO him, along with some other ludicrous remarks. but you can be a fan of his if u want to, and others can hate on him if they want, cause whether you believe it or not, he is very hateable, which is probly why he makes alot of money, and thats cool

as far as being elite though, he just isnt. he hasnt been. and he wont be. not freddie, not virgil, not anyone can fix him. he is a fantastic amateur fighter, and an average pro fighter, who happens to have very very quick hands. thats alll...

[ma51f]

It's ignorant to think Khan is going to go 12 rds with Garcia and not get KTFO. Garcias got power is both hands and the resolve of an undefeated fighter. Khan has speed, speed and more speed. Garcia might be behind on the cards (maybe even way behind), but somewhere over 12 rds he connects with a bomb Khan can't handle

Garcia racist scum of a father put khan of his game plan...

khan also did two trainning camps for the garcia fight so could have been overtrainned...

garcia also low blowed khan to which he didnt take the full 5 mins and he was still suffering from that...

nail your colours to the mast and vote for you will be proven wrong and I will take great pleasure in forwarding this thread when it happens

[ma51f]

ok fair enough. i agree with you about what you wrote about khan, weak chin and can get KOd at any moment and all. for me, the way he carries himself is disgusting considering where he stands as far as being elite. he has been hyped and a fraud for some time, and now its being uncovered, but he is trying to pull the wool over the sheeps eyes, if you will, and still make everyone believe he is so great blah blah. its cool youre a fan of his and all, but you DO make ****** remarks that danny doesnt have the balls to fight him, khan would KO him, along with some other ludicrous remarks. but you can be a fan of his if u want to, and others can hate on him if they want, cause whether you believe it or not, he is very hateable, which is probly why he makes alot of money, and thats cool

as far as being elite though, he just isnt. he hasnt been. and he wont be. not freddie, not virgil, not anyone can fix him. he is a fantastic amateur fighter, and an average pro fighter, who happens to have very very quick hands. thats alll...

khan is never going to be p4p no.1 but just because he can't reach those heights doesnt mean he's all hype and a fraud.

come be real, how can you call him an average pro when he's accomplished so much? just look at his record. is he elite? no. is he average? no. he's somewhere inbetween

[SpeedKillz]

Garcia racist scum of a father put khan of his game plan...

khan also did two trainning camps for the garcia fight so could have been overtrainned...

garcia also low blowed khan to which he didnt take the full 5 mins and he was still suffering from that...

nail your colours to the mast and vote for you will be proven wrong and I will take great pleasure in forwarding this thread when it happens

see right here man. come on stop making these petty horrendous excuses. low blow this, overtrained that blah blah. khan got beaten by the better fighter. end of...

khan is never going to be p4p no.1 but just because he can't reach those heights doesnt mean he's all hype and a fraud.

come be real, how can you call him an average pro when he's accomplished so much? just look at his record. is he elite? no. is he average? no. he's somewhere inbetween

that is the most rational thing you have said in this thread. i doubt anyone can argue this with you