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  • CaneloFan
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    #71
    Originally posted by stefl14
    Yeah but a boxer can lose 15lbs and sometimes more in a day in water with no problem if they know what they're doing.
    Elaborate please. I'm actually interested. How do they do it?

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    • stefl14
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      #72
      Originally posted by CaneloFan
      Elaborate please. I'm actually interested. How do they do it?
      That's cool. I'm glad to see someone on this forum who actually wants to know rather than just blindly rejecting facts. As we all know, the body consists of a lot of water - 60 - 70% or something I don't know the exact figure. The way to cut weight is as follows:

      1) One week before the fight, drink ridiculous amounts of water - I mean up to 2 gallons a day. Increased water intake triggers hormones which causes the body to go into urination mode - you piss a lot more than usual. You then stop drinking fluid 24 hours prior to the weigh in but your body will still be in urination mode so you will lose lots of water. Salt manipulation also helpts the week prior to the fight but I will leave the science out here. For most guys 7-8 pounds can be lost by this method alone if done correctly.
      2) Bowel emptying - a natural laxative (a good one but need to be careful here to not go too heavy - diuretics are a no-no in general) can help loads. The bowels can carry 5-7lbs of un-needed weight.
      3) Finally - sweating it off. Ideally, the less of this needed the better. But it won't heart to skip in a binbag or sit in the sauna a bit with a weigh in 24 hours prior to the fight if you know what you're doing and you are under medical supervision. This can lose a lot of weight but is the last resort really after the other 2 methods.

      People say that people had to lose too much weight all the time, but there is no reason why losing 15 pounds (or sometimes up to 20 at the heavier weights) should harm a fighter if done safely and properly with a 24 hours between the weigh in and the fight. Immediately after a weigh in rehydration needs to start. This involves taking rehydration formula such as pedialyte slowly but not too slowly. Food also needs to be taken to maintain blood sugar but not heavy foot. If done properly rehydration takes place at approx 1kg or 2.2lbs/hour which means that even if you lose 20 pounds you can be fine if you do things right (but sleeping pattern adjustments may be necessary). While in principle at the higher weights a 20lbs weight loss is possible for many, few do it because there can be medical complications if it is done too heavily.

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      • Reloaded
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        #73
        Originally posted by stefl14
        That's cool. I'm glad to see someone on this forum who actually wants to know rather than just blindly rejecting facts. As we all know, the body consists of a lot of water - 60 - 70% or something I don't know the exact figure. The way to cut weight is as follows:

        1) One week before the fight, drink ridiculous amounts of water - I mean up to 2 gallons a day. Increased water intake triggers hormones which causes the body to go into urination mode - you piss a lot more than usual. You then stop drinking fluid 24 hours prior to the weigh in but your body will still be in urination mode so you will lose lots of water. Salt manipulation also helpts the week prior to the fight but I will leave the science out here. For most guys 7-8 pounds can be lost by this method alone if done correctly.
        2) Bowel emptying - a natural laxative (a good one but need to be careful here to not go too heavy - diuretics are a no-no in general) can help loads. The bowels can carry 5-7lbs of un-needed weight.
        3) Finally - sweating it off. Ideally, the less of this needed the better. But it won't heart to skip in a binbag or sit in the sauna a bit with a weigh in 24 hours prior to the fight if you know what you're doing and you are under medical supervision. This can lose a lot of weight but is the last resort really after the other 2 methods.

        People say that people had to lose too much weight all the time, but there is no reason why losing 15 pounds (or sometimes up to 20 at the heavier weights) should harm a fighter if done safely and properly with a 24 hours between the weigh in and the fight. Immediately after a weigh in rehydration needs to start. This involves taking rehydration formula such as pedialyte slowly but not too slowly. Food also needs to be taken to maintain blood sugar but not heavy foot. If done properly rehydration takes place at approx 1kg or 2.2lbs/hour which means that even if you lose 20 pounds you can be fine if you do things right (but sleeping pattern adjustments may be necessary). While in principle at the higher weights a 20lbs weight loss is possible for many, few do it because there can be medical complications if it is done too heavily.
        The only thing thats a bit iffy with your post is the use of pedialyte , when your lose water you dont normally lose potassium from spitting breathing or pissing , well very little as the body balances its volume by use of sodium/potassium pumps located in the cell membrane , unless you use a diuretic which strips potassium via the kidneys , if you use a electrolyte mixture the added potassium can cause the body to actually shed potassium from the cells via reverse osmosis as its a fine balancing act by the body where 98% of Potassium is stored in the cells and 2% extracellular which is the opposite of sodium which is why as you mentioned you can manipulate sodium to create a drying out process , this loss of potassium can cause muscle tremors and cramps so you need to be careful with all potassium additives over a short time .

        The only time you should use electrolytes is when you have diarrhea and or vomiting or using diuretics then important minerals are lost .

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          #74
          haha 6lbs are nothing.... Guerrero is on point. He will be big & strong for fight night.

          [IMG]http://i1281.***********.com/albums/a516/kalibeats89/fight1_zpsf433423e.jpg[/IMG]

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            #75
            I think Guerrero would do better fighting Floyd at 135 or 140. I just think he is slower and plodding at 147. I know his camp is cheering over his "speed" but I just think he's more of a bruising brawler at 147 than the technician he was at lighter weights. I mean watching that Berto fight, that was nothing but brawling, dirty infighting and head in each others chest swinging. Unless he changes his strategy I cannot see him beating Floyd with that style at all. Boxing and using his jab would be better for him I think. If he can't hurt Floyd though he is in trouble. Once Floyd adjusted to Shane's power and took/recovered from that shot, it was a wash. I am not saying that is going to happen Saturday but if Guerrero cannot hurt Floyd what else is he going to keep him away with? If Floyd starts backing Guerrero up it is probably the end for Ghost. Ghost has to fight coming forward to beat Floyd.

            All in all, Floyd beating Floyd is the only way I see Floyd losing. Not what Guerrero is doing but what Floyd can't do anymore...lost reflexes/skills, finally fails to adjust or cracks mentally. By round 4 you will know the outcome of the fight probably.

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            • stefl14
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              #76
              Originally posted by Reloaded
              The only thing thats a bit iffy with your post is the use of pedialyte , when your lose water you dont normally lose potassium from spitting breathing or pissing , well very little as the body balances its volume by use of sodium/potassium pumps located in the cell membrane , unless you use a diuretic which strips potassium via the kidneys , if you use a electrolyte mixture the added potassium can cause the body to actually shed potassium from the cells via reverse osmosis as its a fine balancing act by the body where 98% of Potassium is stored in the cells and 2% extracellular which is the opposite of sodium which is why as you mentioned you can manipulate sodium to create a drying out process , this loss of potassium can cause muscle tremors and cramps so you need to be careful with all potassium additives over a short time .

              The only time you should use electrolytes is when you have diarrhea and or vomiting or using diuretics then important minerals are lost .
              I stand corrected then... nevertheless I think what I said answers the guys question. I've never been responsible for this process myself so I didn't research the optimum rehydration formula its just one that is oft quoted.

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              • Reloaded
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                #77
                Originally posted by stefl14
                I stand corrected then... nevertheless I think what I said answers the guys question. I've never been responsible for this process myself so I didn't research the optimum rehydration formula its just one that is oft quoted.
                Oh for sure , your post was a good post , just got to be careful with potassium balance , it should be pointed out that each guy has a sweet spot with weight and each guys system is different , some can lose a lot of weight some cant , in todays combat sports making weight is a science , so many fans take it for granted , its only a pound of butter to them saying things like a few pounds dont matter , but when those few pounds are on the low side of your sweet spot it will definitely hurt you , the other side of the weight game is being above your sweet spot , that wont hurt you because its not forcing your body to feed on itself like being underweight does , you are always better to be a little heavy than a little light .

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                • GoldenGloveLove
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                  #78
                  No no no no! Mayweather must've gained thirty pounds by fight night! Conspiracy! Conspiracy!

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                  • The Tase
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                    #79
                    Originally posted by GoldenGloveLove
                    No no no no! Mayweather must've gained thirty pounds by fight night! Conspiracy! Conspiracy!
                    what does this prove?

                    not a god damn thing.

                    why didnt floyd not want to get actually weighed?

                    instead he refused and just told showtime what his weight was and they just took his word for it.

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                    • GoldenGloveLove
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                      #80
                      Originally posted by The Tase
                      what does this prove?

                      not a god damn thing.

                      why didnt floyd not want to get actually weighed?

                      instead he refused and just told showtime what his weight was and they just took his word for it.
                      Aw, girl, don't be mad.

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