Open Scoring

[MrFactor]

As someone else mentioned, it ruins the suspense. The Trout-Alvarez fight is a perfect example. The fight lost excitement after round 4 and lost even more after round 8. You said our problem is more with the scoring than with devulging the scores. Sadly, boxing is plagued by bad scoring, so it has the potential to ruin every 3rd or 4th fight. Also, if a fighter doesn't know he is being robbed he will continue to fight his heart out. When the scorecard are read after the fight most will recognise it as a robbery. If a fighter knows he is being robbed, however, he may simply not try, quit, or fight ******ly trying to get the knock out. In doing so he will lose the remaining rounds, thereby making the fight closer than it otherwise would have been. The fight won't be thought of as a robbery and the injustice done to the fighter will be overlooked.

If you are going to have open scoring, reveal the scores once after, say, round 5, and leave it at that, but I think it's better that it's done away with altogether.

Is it really the suspense part, or is it the disappointment in the scores. They were much wider than we believed them to be. The same disappointment is just deferred in a fight that most had as very close and competitive where open scoring isnt present.

[MrFactor]

I hate anything that changes the way a guy fights. Thats on his know how and his trainers to figure out.


What if we have the same Rigo-Donaire fight with open scoring but after 8 rounds the cards read that Donaire is winning by such a margin that Rigo needs a KO to win or atleast a knock down. He then changes up and starts pressing so hard that Donaire catches him and knocks him out.

Everyone would feel totally different now about that fight. There would be people arguing that Nonito is the superior fighter and it was just a matter of time before he caught him. They will say that who is to say that Rigo wouldve lasted? No one knows.

However, now we do know that Rigo did last and clearly beat Donaire but if the scores were open and showed Donaire winning then it couldve drasictaclly change that fight. I dont think that is right. They should never be open. Never

That forces a guy to make adjustments to try to win. Nothing wrong with that. In football it happens. If a typical running team finds themselves down by 20 late in the 3rd quarter, they will likely start passing a lot more. You have to make adjustments anyway. A fighter should definitively know what he got for EACH round and not assume he's up or its a close fight when it truly may not be. After the fight, how many fighters ask themselves, could I have done more to win. I wish I knew I was so far down on the cards...

[DLT]

That forces a guy to make adjustments to try to win. Nothing wrong with that. In football it happens. If a typical running team finds themselves down by 20 late in the 3rd quarter, they will likely start passing a lot more. You have to make adjustments anyway. A fighter should definitively know what he got for EACH round and not assume he's up or its a close fight when it truly may not be. After the fight, how many fighters ask themselves, could I have done more to win. I wish I knew I was so far down on the cards...

but football and nearly every other sport is black & white. If youre down 20 then youre down 20. There is pretty much no dis*****g it. However, in boxing you could really be outboxing someone and 2 crooked judges can have you down by 4 rounds. Then you try to do something different, get knocked out, and no one gives you the benefit of doubt.

Guys can be well rounded all they want but there are different strengths and I dont think its fair. What if Floyd is fighting Canelo and is putting on a show. He knew he couldnt got toe to toe with the big strong monster but is putting on a brilliant pure boxing performance.

It seems like a near shutout for Floyd but they read the cards and instead its Canelo winning by 3 rounds. Now the only way for Floyd to win is to go for a KO against a huge monster. He goes in, gets busted up, and Canelo wins by KO.

I just dont like it. Id rather lose with all the public thinking I really won instead of still losing and being batter or KTFO in the process with half the people now thinking that I wouldve been KO anyways

[Danny Gunz]

OP make a poll for this, I'm curious to see how everyone thinks.

[White_Knight]

Is it really the suspense part, or is it the disappointment in the scores. They were much wider than we believed them to be. The same disappointment is just deferred in a fight that most had as very close and competitive where open scoring isnt present.

There was disappoinment in the scorecards and a subsequent decline in excitement. In the case of bad scoring, at least fans will have 12 rounds of excitement when the results are deffered. In Trout-Alvarez there was excitement from 1-4, a lower level of excitement from 5-8, and a lower level again from 9-12.

[MrFactor]

but football and nearly every other sport is black & white. If youre down 20 then youre down 20. There is pretty much no dis*****g it. However, in boxing you could really be outboxing someone and 2 crooked judges can have you down by 4 rounds. Then you try to do something different, get knocked out, and no one gives you the benefit of doubt.

Guys can be well rounded all they want but there are different strengths and I dont think its fair. What if Floyd is fighting Canelo and is putting on a show. He knew he couldnt got toe to toe with the big strong monster but is putting on a brilliant pure boxing performance.

It seems like a near shutout for Floyd but they read the cards and instead its Canelo winning by 3 rounds. Now the only way for Floyd to win is to go for a KO against a huge monster. He goes in, gets busted up, and Canelo wins by KO.

I just dont like it. Id rather lose with all the public thinking I really won instead of still losing and being batter or KTFO in the process with half the people now thinking that I wouldve been KO anyways

Without open scoring, Floyd doesnt know he's down 3 rounds, so he continues to coast and ends up losing. Had he known midfight that its close, then he should crank it up or make adjustments to try to win the fight. Thats just common sense. If he gets KO'd then so be it. Thats the sport he chose to be in.

[MrFactor]

There was disappoinment in the scorecards and a subsequent decline in excitement. In the case of bad scoring, at least fans will have 12 rounds of excitement when the results are deffered. In Trout-Alvarez there was excitement from 1-4, a lower level of excitement from 5-8, and a lower level again from 9-12.

Most people had a gut feeling that some shady stuff would go on with the scores prior to the fight. I do agree about the feeling of a balloon deflating after the 8th because I felt that way too. If Trout knew his scores from 5,6 and 7, perhaps he would have tried to adjust and do more.

[DLT]

Without open scoring, Floyd doesnt know he's down 3 rounds, so he continues to coast and ends up losing. Had he known midfight that its close, then he should crank it up or make adjustments to try to win the fight. Thats just common sense. If he gets KO'd then so be it. Thats the sport he chose to be in.

I just dont like anything that changes the way someone fights. Even on the reverse end. In that same example I gave, what if Canelo is getting clowned by a near shutout but then the scores come out and he's way ahead. Instead of him going for the KO like he should, he gets to coast and run to a victory even though everyone knows he got dominated. Bascically he could suck all fight and still get to coast to the finish line. I just dont like it.

I think if you have 10 cases, it would be like 8 of them with bad things happening and 2 where it plays out well. Not only that but it can kill all the drama. I mean Canelo knew he had it in the bag against Trout. Some ripped his stamina but it also had to do with him not caring. He knew he had won. If they dont announce scores then he probably thinks its dead close and goes all out down the stretch

[Bolo Punch]

I detest everything about it with every fibre of my being. Takes the whole excitement away from the decision from everybody. It will suck the drama out of the sport.

[MrFactor]

I just dont like anything that changes the way someone fights. Even on the reverse end. In that same example I gave, what if Canelo is getting clowned by a near shutout but then the scores come out and he's way ahead. Instead of him going for the KO like he should, he gets to coast and run to a victory even though everyone knows he got dominated. Bascically he could suck all fight and still get to coast to the finish line. I just dont like it.

Open scoring after EVERY round, you'd see that before it became a problem. Fighters wouyld get posed, especially if they think they won a round and the cards say different.

I think if you have 10 cases, it would be like 8 of them with bad things happening and 2 where it plays out well. Not only that but it can kill all the drama. I mean Canelo knew he had it in the bag against Trout. Some ripped his stamina but it also had to do with him not caring. He knew he had won. If they dont announce scores then he probably thinks its dead close and goes all out down the stretch

If Trout knew he was losing as many rounds, then he could have changed his strategy well before the 8th. Making adjustments isnt anything new in the sport.