Can Alvarez Do Anything Besides Set-Reset High Speed Sharpshooting From The Outside?

[BUNGALOWS]

Maybe it could teach you something else: just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean they're wrong.

That has absolutely nothing to do with it. If this was a very close fight, and it could have gone either way, then yes, I'd simply say that, but honestly, if you thought Canelo won the fight, TO ME, you either have an agenda, or you had your Canelo goggles on last night.

I know I'll get crucified, because last night taught me there's an abundance of Canelo fans. Bring on the onslaught.

I'm done with this topic. Can't win. I'll just wait for Garcia/Judah.

[pesticid]

In all fairness, Trout is a tough fighter to get inside against. Miguel Cotto couldn't get inside on him very easily either, and Cotto managed to get inside against Mayweather at times. Canelo has shown in previous fights that he can pressure when he needs to, in this fight he opted to box. As soon as the fight started he went onto the back foot, it looked to me like that was his game plan.

I was surprised, however, that he never really managed to get inside throughout the fight. But, as I said, Trout has shown in the past that he's a hard guy to pin down. I wouldn't put down Canelo's ability on the front foot on the basis on this fight alone.

That said, obviously he isn't ready for Mayweather or Martinez yet. He's only 22, and those guys are both long established champions. I could see him giving Mayweather some problems, with his size and strength, but at this point he still gets outboxed. I'd give him very little chance against Sergio though, I don't think he'd be able to get inside against his jab and movement, and Serio is bigger and stronger... not to mention has a lot of power. It's not really a knock against Saul though. The fact that people are mentioning him fighting such top tier guys at his age shows how good he is, and he has time to improve.

Good post but I disagree as far as him not being ready for Sergio or Floyd. He's had 40 fights and he's not a Fernando Vargas. He's ready. Who do you think is more worthy of fighting Floyd? Lara, Ishe, Molina or Smith. Canelo established himself as the best guy at 154 and that's where Floyd holds a belt.

[pesticid]

You're a big Canelo fan. I get it. Thanks. And NO. I did not say Canelo "doesn't have an inside fighting game." Personally, I'd like to see him collapse on his opponents more if he's ever again in a situation like he was last night. All he has to do is take a few steps forward, shorten up and fire more often. I'd like to see him making more adjustments in the future.

Hey I'd like Floyd to have played with Cotto on the outside but instead he got a bloody nose from Cotto's jabs and getting pinned to the ropes, when in theory he shouldn't have. No need to collapse on Floyd. You just gotta get near him and not smother your punches the way Castillo fought him. Canelo is bigger than Castillo and possibly smarter, not yet as proven but give him a chance. I know Floyd doesn't have the confidence to take the fight.

[T-97]

Good post but I disagree as far as him not being ready for Sergio or Floyd. He's had 40 fights and he's not a Fernando Vargas. He's ready. Who do you think is more worthy of fighting Floyd? Lara, Ishe, Molina or Smith. Canelo established himself as the best guy at 154 and that's where Floyd holds a belt.

I just don't see him being ready for someone like Mayweather just yet. I wouldn't say he's undeserving of the fight, as you said, he proven himself the top fighter at 154. So, if Mayweather was to fight there, I'd agree Canelo is the best option. But I'd rather see Canelo get some more experience against top 154 lbers first.

As for Martinez, I just don't think he's ready to make the jump up in weight to fight someone like Sergio. In that fight, he'd be giving up a lot in size, weight and experience.

[Weebler I]

That has absolutely nothing to do with it. If this was a very close fight, and it could have gone either way, then yes, I'd simply say that, but honestly, if you thought Canelo won the fight, TO ME, you either have an agenda, or you had your Canelo goggles on last night.

I know I'll get crucified, because last night taught me there's an abundance of Canelo fans. Bring on the onslaught.

I'm done with this topic. Can't win. I'll just wait for Garcia/Judah.

What about the neutral fans who think Canelo won? do they not exist?

You need to accept a lot of people saw the fight differently for reasons not related to bias.

[BattleAxePurist]

You're a big Canelo fan. I get it. Thanks. And NO. I did not say Canelo "doesn't have an inside fighting game." Personally, I'd like to see him collapse on his opponents more if he's ever again in a situation like he was last night. All he has to do is take a few steps forward, shorten up and fire more often. I'd like to see him making more adjustments in the future.

It looked like he was trying to show he can box Trout not just **** on the inside plus he should make adjustments in a fight he's winning.
Sounds like you miss the old Canelo body/combo puncher but last night he did show he could do something else.

[pesticid]

I just don't see him being ready for someone like Mayweather just yet. I wouldn't say he's undeserving of the fight, as you said, he proven himself the top fighter at 154. So, if Mayweather was to fight there, I'd agree Canelo is the best option. But I'd rather see Canelo get some more experience against top 154 lbers first.

As for Martinez, I just don't think he's ready to make the jump up in weight to fight someone like Sergio. In that fight, he'd be giving up a lot in size, weight and experience.

I think Martinez is an inch or two taller than Alvarez. I don't think Sergio is the bigger guy. Of course I would favour Sergio because of his speed, power, smarts and killer instinct and his overall experience at fighting at middleweight. That;s not to say Saul can't pose difficulties to him. I think skillwise Saul is just as good if not better than Sergio's last 6 opponents. He may not be as big, but he's solid still. I've heard that Trout used to spar Martinez and he had done well.

Now as far as Mayweather, I don't think he's prepared at the moment for the type of competition that Canelo brings at 154. Floyd's last fights were against Mosley, JMM, Ortiz and Cotto. We saw the beating Canelo gave Mosley. I don`t think JMM, Ortiz or Cotto make it to the finish like against Canelo. The important point is that Floyd hasn`t fought somebody that is bigger, smart, talented and poised since he fought Castillo at 135.

[A-Wolf]

Hey I'd like Floyd to have played with Cotto on the outside but instead he got a bloody nose from Cotto's jabs and getting pinned to the ropes, when in theory he shouldn't have. No need to collapse on Floyd. You just gotta get near him and not smother your punches the way Castillo fought him. Canelo is bigger than Castillo and possibly smarter, not yet as proven but give him a chance. I know Floyd doesn't have the confidence to take the fight.

I agree to some extent, although once Mayweather realizes Canelo isn't comfortable or isn't effective in a certain place he'll take it there and keep it there. You're absolutely right about how effective Canelo would be at range. Canelo's punching power and speed may prevent Floyd from even signing on the dotted line... Another thing you may be right about..

[UTEP]

That has absolutely nothing to do with it. If this was a very close fight, and it could have gone either way, then yes, I'd simply say that, but honestly, if you thought Canelo won the fight, TO ME, you either have an agenda, or you had your Canelo goggles on last night.

I know I'll get crucified, because last night taught me there's an abundance of Canelo fans. Bring on the onslaught.

I'm done with this topic. Can't win. I'll just wait for Garcia/Judah.

Well I guess Austin Trout has an "agenda" and wears "Canelo goggles" then. Trout already came out and said that Canelo was the stronger, quicker, better man last night, he admitted defeat and apologized to his fans. He said Canelo was a lot better than he thought he was.

[KickAzz]

Tough to label Canelo one dimensional when he was able to outbox Trout on the outside. People thought that his only shot was to press Trout and try to work him on the inside.

He actually showed versatility by being able to win the way he did.

the ginger didn't do anything new