I love "the title", the belt...but this is also why I hate them...

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  • ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
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    I love "the title", the belt...but this is also why I hate them...

    I have many friends within the WBC, including at least one very good buddy...I trained a WBC Champion...I grew up in boxing with this belt...and I have fighters I train who hope to still win one of them one day BUT, look, this is ridiculous and it is KILLING us, it is ruining the sport, it is ruining the term "CHAMPION"...It makes no sense whatsoever...the fact is that the men in charge of our sport are rarely men who truly LOVE our sport...they can say they do, they love boxing, etc etc..they are committed to the sport, etc etc...but no one who allows these things to happen can say they LOVE the sport...I hold no ill-will towards any fighter who jumps up and siezes an opportunity to win a title and make money but I just cannot accept or appreciate or recognize anyone on earth as a WBC 168 pound champ other than Andre Ward!! This sport needs former boxers/trainers in charge of it so some semblance of the history can be kept in tact.

    April 17, 2013 "Marco Antonio Periban and Sakio Bika will fight for the vacant WBC super middleweight belt on June 8th in Carson, California. The two will have this opportunity because the WBC stripped Andre Ward while he was injured and gave him the silly title of emeritus champion. **********, and any other reasonably minded boxing fan will contiue to regard Ward as the true super middleweight champion of the world. In typical WBC racist fashion, Periban, a Mexican is getting the title opportunity despite being ranked lower than Britain's George Groves. Like Periban, the WBC is based in Mexico. According to the WBC's website, Periban said, “I have the chance of becoming world champion, I can’t afford missing this chance, I will train with American sparring partners and with heavyweight Mario Heredia under the supervision of my trainer Manuel Lopez. I will get to the fight in the best shape possible, Bika is a very skillful rival, but he doesn’t have much power, so I believe I can beat him and conquer this title in the name of Mexico."
  • Hougigo
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    It's horrible man.... I'd understand if they were just doing it following their rules ( I know they have that whole fight within a 6 month thing) but they don't follow their rules anyway.
    They exempt certain people from the rules, they shift their rankings around to get their way, basically HAND PEOPLE BELTS and so on.
    I really wish a person who understood and cared about boxing was head of these organizations.

    Again, the whole Mayweather having the belt despite not defending it for a year and a half and going to jail

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    • RlCKY
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      Originally posted by ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
      I have many friends within the WBC, including at least one very good buddy...I trained a WBC Champion...I grew up in boxing with this belt...and I have fighters I train who hope to still win one of them one day BUT, look, this is ridiculous and it is KILLING us, it is ruining the sport, it is ruining the term "CHAMPION"...It makes no sense whatsoever...the fact is that the men in charge of our sport are rarely men who truly LOVE our sport...they can say they do, they love boxing, etc etc..they are committed to the sport, etc etc...but no one who allows these things to happen can say they LOVE the sport...I hold no ill-will towards any fighter who jumps up and siezes an opportunity to win a title and make money but I just cannot accept or appreciate or recognize anyone on earth as a WBC 168 pound champ other than Andre Ward!! This sport needs former boxers/trainers in charge of it so some semblance of the history can be kept in tact.

      April 17, 2013 "Marco Antonio Periban and Sakio Bika will fight for the vacant WBC super middleweight belt on June 8th in Carson, California. The two will have this opportunity because the WBC stripped Andre Ward while he was injured and gave him the silly title of emeritus champion. **********, and any other reasonably minded boxing fan will contiue to regard Ward as the true super middleweight champion of the world. In typical WBC racist fashion, Periban, a Mexican is getting the title opportunity despite being ranked lower than Britain's George Groves. Like Periban, the WBC is based in Mexico. According to the WBC's website, Periban said, “I have the chance of becoming world champion, I can’t afford missing this chance, I will train with American sparring partners and with heavyweight Mario Heredia under the supervision of my trainer Manuel Lopez. I will get to the fight in the best shape possible, Bika is a very skillful rival, but he doesn’t have much power, so I believe I can beat him and conquer this title in the name of Mexico."
      I thought Groves already had a fight? Either way the WBC is wretched and the term champion has no meaning to it anymore.

      What can be done about it? Holding one of these belts allows you to dictate the terms and purse split of the fight in most cases.

      The Ring's credibility is flying out the window as well.

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      • Hougigo
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        Originally posted by RlCKY
        I thought Groves already had a fight? Either way the WBC is wretched and the term champion has no meaning to it anymore.

        What can be done about it? Holding one of these belts allows you to dictate the terms and purse split of the fight in most cases.

        The Ring's credibility is flying out the window as well.
        He has a date saved for May I believe... no opponent yet though
        And the Ring has had zero cred from me for a while

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        • Tom Cruise
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          #5
          I'd love it if one day some oil rich multi billionaire from Dubai or something came in and bought out all the other organisations, created one in their place and that was the end of it. 1 world champ per weight class. One set of rankings. 1 mandatory. Things would be so easy

          This organisation could work like the NFL or FIFA, ensuring global rules and regulations. Coordinating youth development schemes etc etc

          Twould be a glourious day. But would it come under anti-monopoly laws?

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          • BattlingNelson
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            #6
            WBC is like the other so-called governing bodies. They are in this business for the money.

            Regarding Ward. Yeah it's disgracefull. But only because of the lack of consistency. If every one of their champions had to commit to the same standard, then so be it. But it isn't like that. In recent times Floyd has been able to keep his belt. So has Junior. Years ago Lennox was able to avoid his mando for years.

            But seriously Iceman. How can you be surprised by the utter lack of integrity here? You know history. It's all about sanctioning fees. If Ward feels it's worth it, he can sue them like Rocchigianni did years ago.

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            • Enzo Mc is SHIT
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              It's also the WBC that's ranked Khan as #2 welterweight without a single fight at the weight and coming off two losses in three fights, iirc.

              This kind of **** is exactly why people knocking the IBO is so ******. Just because it's not as old as the other belts doesn't mean it's not at least equally as valid. The IBO should be supported and the crooks pushed into bankruptcy.

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              • edgarg
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                Originally posted by Enzo Mc is ****
                It's also the WBC that's ranked Khan as #2 welterweight without a single fight at the weight and coming off two losses in three fights, iirc.

                This kind of **** is exactly why people knocking the IBO is so ******. Just because it's not as old as the other belts doesn't mean it's not at least equally as valid. The IBO should be supported and the crooks pushed into bankruptcy.
                I don't like your user name, but i thoroughly agree with you. Some of the best boxers in the world have fought for and held the IBO title. although, I think that promoters rather spring it forward when they want to produce a title to boost up their shows.

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                • .:: JSFD26 ::.
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                  #9
                  You know its bad when someone in the game is complaining about it.


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                  • ΣL CHAPO
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                    #10
                    Is this the real Iceman?

                    I know people online love to pick a alter ego and roll with it.

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