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  • #11
    I enjoy watching them, especially Wlad.

    It comes to personal taste, but I like the way Wlad systematically breaks down the opponents. His skills and speed combined with the massive athletic frame is not seen often. I don't recall faster HW fighter above 6'5.

    I never was a fan of brawling style - pure boxing is more aligned with my taste.
    First/early round KOs are not something that I prefer over domination and late KO.

    I also like how Wlad can adopt to different style during the fight - example first Thompson fight.

    Vitali on the other hand is not as fluent, but he is incredible tough and his workrate is amazing for such a big guy.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by Simurgh View Post
      I enjoy watching them, especially Wlad.

      It comes to personal taste, but I like the way Wlad systematically breaks down the opponents. His skills and speed combined with the massive athletic frame is not seen often. I don't recall faster HW fighter above 6'5.

      I never was a fan of brawling style - pure boxing is more aligned with my taste.
      First/early round KOs are not something that I prefer over domination and late KO.

      I also like how Wlad can adopt to different style during the fight - example first Thompson fight.

      Vitali on the other hand is not as fluent, but he is incredible tough and his workrate is amazing for such a big guy.
      Lewis would be one that's faster than Wlad at the same size.

      But you're right they don't come often. I can appreciate a systematic breakdown once in a while, but not every fight. Other than hardcore fans, people aren't talking about the Klitschkos. I bet that most people don't even know who the HW champ is! They'd probably guess Tyson or Lewis still. For example, against Pianeta - what's wrong with Wlad going out there throwing bombs from the first bell? Everybody knows he'll win anyway.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by LacedUp View Post
        Lewis would be one that's faster than Wlad at the same size.

        But you're right they don't come often. I can appreciate a systematic breakdown once in a while, but not every fight. Other than hardcore fans, people aren't talking about the Klitschkos. I bet that most people don't even know who the HW champ is! They'd probably guess Tyson or Lewis still. For example, against Pianeta - what's wrong with Wlad going out there throwing bombs from the first bell? Everybody knows he'll win anyway.
        No, Lewis was never as fast as Wlad is now - not to mention young Wlad. Not even close IMO. Manny used to say the same.. Don't get me wrong Lewis was fast - for the size (especially in early days) - but not as fast as Wlad.

        it comes to Wlad's style. To throw the bombs you'll receive some. Wlad doesn't like to be hit - well nobody likes, but he knows he can KO guy without being hit but it will take a few more rounds.
        His KO percentage is excellent but he rarely takes guys out in the first 4-5 rounds.

        You saw in Wach fight how Wlad fired it up in the middle to late rounds. Only Wach's PED kept him standing.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by Simurgh View Post
          No, Lewis was never as fast as Wlad is now - not to mention young Wlad. Not even close IMO. Manny used to say the same.. Don't get me wrong Lewis was fast - for the size (especially in early days) - but not as fast as Wlad.

          it comes to Wlad's style. To throw the bombs you'll receive some. Wlad doesn't like to be hit - well nobody likes, but he knows he can KO guy without being hit but it will take a few more rounds.
          His KO percentage is excellent but he rarely takes guys out in the first 4-5 rounds.

          You saw in Wach fight how Wlad fired it up in the middle to late rounds. Only Wach's PED kept him standing.
          Young Lewis is faster than any version of Wlad. Lewis that fought Ruddock/Bruno etc. Wlad is heavier than that Lewis. Stewart I think was commenting on Wlads speed of hand. Lewis movement and reflexes were better IMO.

          True. And that's not very entertaining to casual boxing fans. So I think he should do something else. Add something new to his game, otherwise he will be remembered as very un entertaining to anyone other than his fans.

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          • #15
            The reason why they are considered to be boring is because Tyson spoiled us. Tyson was 5'11'' 221 fighting ferociously, going at opponents showing no fear, and then you have Huge guys 6'7 250-260lbs looking scared to tear into someone way smaller. If they had more of a aggressive style, and lets face it they're huge, bigger than their opponents and it seems as if they are scared to just go and take'em out. If we had someone their size with Tysons will to knock someones head off from the start they would be the stars that they arent. Example: do you remember emmanuel steward screaming at LL to go get tyson when tyson was already done, he had to scream and plead for him to go take him out, you shouldnt have to beg and plead with guys that big to go beat up a smaller guy. thats my opinion as to why they havent nor ever will capture the spotlight like they could.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by LacedUp View Post
              Young Lewis is faster than any version of Wlad. Lewis that fought Ruddock/Bruno etc. Wlad is heavier than that Lewis. Stewart I think was commenting on Wlads speed of hand. Lewis movement and reflexes were better IMO.

              True. And that's not very entertaining to casual boxing fans. So I think he should do something else. Add something new to his game, otherwise he will be remembered as very un entertaining to anyone other than his fans.
              Young Lewis is not on pair with Sdunek Wlad - if you doubt please rewatch any of those Wlad's fight. He had many disadvantages to this present version but his speed (and I mean legs) was just superb.
              Manny was commenting on Wlad's lateral movement and distance control (in-out) and said Wlad has a better footwork than Lennox.

              I don't believe there is anything Wlad can do. He is very unfortunate that American's HWs are just not good enough to give him a challenge. He needs to continue to do what he's doing - face Povetkin, Tyson - beat them and seal his legacy. I remember people here being quite amazed watching the way Wlad outboxing Wach in round 7. It's just that reputation that follows Wlad for whatever reason and people don't watch many of his fights...

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              • #17
                Originally posted by Simurgh View Post
                Young Lewis is not on pair with Sdunek Wlad - if you doubt please rewatch any of those Wlad's fight. He had many disadvantages to this present version but his speed (and I mean legs) was just superb.
                Manny was commenting on Wlad's lateral movement and distance control (in-out) and said Wlad has a better footwork than Lennox.

                I don't believe there is anything Wlad can do. He is very unfortunate that American's HWs are just not good enough to give him a challenge. He needs to continue to do what he's doing - face Povetkin, Tyson - beat them and seal his legacy. I remember people here being quite amazed watching the way Wlad outboxing Wach in round 7. It's just that reputation that follows Wlad for whatever reason and people don't watch many of his fights...
                I remember that version of Wlad, and I watched him live as an amateur. He was always extremely talented, but as Stewart remarked - he's a lot less prone to showcase his huge talent than someone like Lennox. Stewart said Lennox was his beast heavy, but Wlad was more talented, he just don't show it in his fights do to his systematic approach and safety first attitude.

                With regards to American heavyweights, I don't think that's true at all. Look at fighters like Jmm, pacquiao, Martinez, Canelo and lately 3G making their names in America without being American or fighting any top American names particularly. If they were entertaining, one of the channels would show them. But there's zero interest in their fights in the states.

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                • #18
                  Put it this way, they are not entertaining enough for American television.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by LacedUp View Post
                    I remember that version of Wlad, and I watched him live as an amateur. He was always extremely talented, but as Stewart remarked - he's a lot less prone to showcase his huge talent than someone like Lennox. Stewart said Lennox was his beast heavy, but Wlad was more talented, he just don't show it in his fights do to his systematic approach and safety first attitude.

                    With regards to American heavyweights, I don't think that's true at all. Look at fighters like Jmm, pacquiao, Martinez, Canelo and lately 3G making their names in America without being American or fighting any top American names particularly. If they were entertaining, one of the channels would show them. But there's zero interest in their fights in the states.
                    I can agree with that too. Most of those fighters are fighting in states anyway.
                    Wlad did it a few times but it happened that those fights were very boring (Ibragimov is probably the most boring of Wlad's fights). I remember Mercer fight - it was very entertaining and HBO commentators were very amazed.

                    Now in Europe and especially Germany, Klitschkos are so big that they can fill out 100k stadium fighting anybody. It just makes more economical sense to stay in Europe for now. I know Wlad was hoping fight with Michell could be a big one - but his trainer ruined that.

                    I hope Tyson fight can be made in states - it would be awesome.

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                    • #20
                      As far as for fast entertaining KOs I am not sure that would grant Wlad more popularity. I think, more likely, the opponent would be noted as a bum.

                      Lets say Wlad KOs Povetkin in 3-4 rounds. Would it earn Wlad more popularity or would Povetkin be noted as a bum...

                      It takes two to tango.

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