Comments Thread For: Bradley Wants Marquez Next—Not Pacquiao Remtach

[ADP02]

Both men did their thing but at the end for people on here to continue stating that Marquez was getting beat up before the KO is over exaggerating a little considering Marquez dropped Pacquiao and was doing well up until he got dropped by Manny in the 5th. He was only up by one point (Pacquiao) before he got KO'd. His (Marquez) nose was bleeding but he still was in the fight. Lets keep it all the way real. Manny was getting all the ooh's and aah's but Marquez put in his work too in the 6th round. He was getting touched but he was also touching Pacquiao.

The reason Marquez dropped Manny in this fight and not the others was because Marquez went to Manny's body and took his legs away. Also Marquez was sitting down on his punches focusing more on putting power behind his punches. But so many want to say it was steroids, Marquez tripped him or Manny got reckless and fell on Marquez fist because he stepped on Marquez's foot. Pac took the L, so should his fans.

Manny won rounds 1 and 2. Marquez didn't do much in those rounds. Manny did more but no whupping.

According to the judges, Marquez got the 3rd round (naturally) but if you take that knock down away, just to analyze, Manny was doing OK in that round. Meaning, there was no whupping but he did get knocked down cleanly.
According to the judges, Marquez got the 4th round but one could have easily have given that round to Manny. I guess that last shot by Marquez convinced them but I thought that overall, Manny did better. Lederman gave it to Manny as well. Again, no whupping.

5th round: Manny whupped Marquez to the point that Marquez was in big trouble. Marquez had wobbly legs for the last third of the fight but managed to hang on tough.

6th round: While Marquez did get a few shots in, Manny was in control and was going to win that round until the one shot KO.

The momentum was clearly on Manny's side prior to the KO and Marquez showed signs of physical deterioration. That is what people are saying. No exaggeration.


I just googled and read the first article that came up on this. So its not just Manny's fans. Prior to the KO, the analysis was correct and not an exaggeration BUT you clearly exaggerated when you said, Marquez was whupping Manny. That is not the fight that I saw.

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"Pacquiao even managed to recover in round four and win the round. And then he got fully back in control in round five when Manny landed a right hand that forced Marquez to drop just low enough for his glove to touch the floor, a knockdown. Pacquiao fired away for the rest of the round, Marquez on rubber legs, looking ready to go with referee Kenny Bayless looking as though he was contemplating stopping the fight.

But Marquez survived the knockdown and the onslaught .....

Things still appeared to be going Pacquiao's way through round six, he was landing his left hand, Marquez was suffering from what appeared to be a broken nose and he wasn't finding the openings he had earlier. But with just seconds left in the round, Marquez landed a shocking right hand and Pacquiao fell face-first to the canvas."
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[ADP02]

"Who would I rather be?" I'd rather be the guy who DIDN'T get knocked the fu@k out!!! Many knowledgeable boxing people consider Marquez 4-0 against Pacquiao and yet you tools act as though Marquez ko of Pacquiao was some kind of shock. Get a life. Find a new hero. Your boy was always over rated.

We are analyzing the fight. Marquez KOed Manny. We all know that but we are discussing what happened prior to that. This is a boxing forum so I would think that that is allowed, right?

Just reading what you said I get the feeling that you are a heavy Marquez fan or a heavy Manny hater that can't judge a fight objectively. That is not good.

That KO was a big shocker. You can be a Marquez fan and say that. Not sure what's the problem. You can say that in respect to momentum changer and due to the fact that Marquez never came close to that previously and so on.

[SkillspayBills]

It's kind of funny how Pac is getting cut off from the both of them lol. Should be a great bout whenever it is made.

[T18Z]

Oh really. So far what is my track record with Marquez/Pacquiao fights? Do I have to pull up predictions? And what about your track record? I bet you said that Manny would destroy Marquez in the 3rd and 4th fights. You guys live in the past too much because I've called Pacquiao/Marquez spot on. Even said that Arum would not let Bradley lose. What about the predictions below?

Predictions on 4th fight:

12-06-2012, 12:10 PM



11-23-201201:31 AM

11-22-2012, 12:16 PM


11/24/2012


Even Marquez had the same game plan chump!


Predictions on 3rd fight:

Old 10-10-2011, 08:06 AM #20

10-10-2011, 10:26 AM #98

Old 10-09-2011, 08:33 PM #40


Spot on chump! Let me see your predictions.

I love it how you think Pacquaio took too much punishment to the body and that somehow took his legs away.

That's such bull****. Show me a moment where he actually landed a body shot that looked like it even remotely hurt him? Pacquaio has taken harder body shots from Margarito and been fine, stop smoking crack, Marquez didn't do **** to his body, and even if he did there's no evidence to show that body shots recently have done **** all to Pacquaio.

Stop trying to glorify your prediciton, it's ****, Pac got feinted and hit with a hard right, and then jumped into a well timed shot, nothing more, jeeze.

[Tony B.]

We are analyzing the fight. Marquez KOed Manny. We all know that but we are discussing what happened prior to that. This is a boxing forum so I would think that that is allowed, right?

Just reading what you said I get the feeling that you are a heavy Marquez fan or a heavy Manny hater that can't judge a fight objectively. That is not good.

That KO was a big shocker. You can be a Marquez fan and say that. Not sure what's the problem. You can say that in respect to momentum changer and due to the fact that Marquez never came close to that previously and so on.

I think Pacquiao and Marquez are both great fighters. I just believe that Marquez is better. In 4 fights between them, Marquez has improved his performance each time. I love how Pacfans say, "manny was destroying him before the lucky punch". So ******. Do you realize that Marquez was in WAY worse shape in the first round of the first fight and he still got up to win 10 of the next 11 rounds? You guys cried saying, "but manny knocked him down!" as if boxing were a knock down contest rather than each round being judged individually. And marquez landed more punches throughout. In the second fight, Marquez won a majority of rounds and again landed more punches, but that didn't matter to Pacfans because "manny knocked him down!". In the third fight, manny was flat and thoroughly out-boxed again, but Pacfans cried, "but manny landed more punches!"....something that didn't matter to you when Marquez landed more in the first two fights. And you all even brought in an insane, never-before-heard mother of all excuses, "but he was stomping on mannys toes!!!" and "if you watch the fight in super slo-mo, you'll see that manny won!". Then in the fourth fight, Marquez DESTROYS manny with one of the most brutal knockouts in the history of boxing and you all cry, "but manny was winning before he got crushed, therefore he's still better!!!" You need to get a life. Manny was a great fighter,just not the greatest as you so desperately want to believe. Face the fact that your idol is not a god. And he never was.

[ADP02]

I think Pacquiao and Marquez are both great fighters. I just believe that Marquez is better. In 4 fights between them, Marquez has improved his performance each time. I love how Pacfans say, "manny was destroying him before the lucky punch". So ******. Do you realize that Marquez was in WAY worse shape in the first round of the first fight and he still got up to win 10 of the next 11 rounds? You guys cried saying, "but manny knocked him down!" as if boxing were a knock down contest rather than each round being judged individually. And marquez landed more punches throughout. In the second fight, Marquez won a majority of rounds and again landed more punches, but that didn't matter to Pacfans because "manny knocked him down!". In the third fight, manny was flat and thoroughly out-boxed again, but Pacfans cried, "but manny landed more punches!"....something that didn't matter to you when Marquez landed more in the first two fights. And you all even brought in an insane, never-before-heard mother of all excuses, "but he was stomping on mannys toes!!!" and "if you watch the fight in super slo-mo, you'll see that manny won!". Then in the fourth fight, Marquez DESTROYS manny with one of the most brutal knockouts in the history of boxing and you all cry, "but manny was winning before he got crushed, therefore he's still better!!!" You need to get a life. Manny was a great fighter,just not the greatest as you so desperately want to believe. Face the fact that your idol is not a god. And he never was.

Well at least you went from "Manny is overrated" to "both are great fighters"

The first 3 were all close.
Fight 1: Marquez was too far behind and lost a close one.
Fight 2: The knock down was the difference.
Fight 3: Marquez was too cautious in the championship rounds and lost.
Fight 4: Marquez won by KO.

The above is not just my opinion but also how the judges scored them except for Fight #1 where one judge made a mistake and consequently changed the outcome.

In Fight #1, you bring up that there was more to the fight than the knock downs. Manny fans are discussing Fight #4 in the same manner. We know who won but for people to say it was so decisive that we don't need Fight #5 is wrong and therefore people bring up the fact that Manny was taking control of the fight and that Marquez, for the most part was not in control except for the knock downs. Again, similar to how you were able to explain Fight #1. Again, did Marquez win Fight #4? Yes but it was not one of those fights where the winner was dominant throughout the fight.

There have been many times where the loser gets KOed but wins the rematch. Sometimes, also by KO.
Example, Rahman KOed Lewis but in the rematch Lewis KOed Rahman. So winning by KO is not always decisive enough to say "no more fights required".

[madsweeney]

Well at least you went from "Manny is overrated" to "both are great fighters"

The first 3 were all close.
Fight 1: Marquez was too far behind and lost a close one.
Fight 2: The knock down was the difference.
Fight 3: Marquez was too cautious in the championship rounds and lost.
Fight 4: Marquez won by KO.

The above is not just my opinion but also how the judges scored them except for Fight #1 where one judge made a mistake and consequently changed the outcome.

In Fight #1, you bring up that there was more to the fight than the knock downs. Manny fans are discussing Fight #4 in the same manner. We know who won but for people to say it was so decisive that we don't need Fight #5 is wrong and therefore people bring up the fact that Manny was taking control of the fight and that Marquez, for the most part was not in control except for the knock downs. Again, similar to how you were able to explain Fight #1. Again, did Marquez win Fight #4? Yes but it was not one of those fights where the winner was dominant throughout the fight.

There have been many times where the loser gets KOed but wins the rematch. Sometimes, also by KO.
Example, Rahman KOed Lewis but in the rematch Lewis KOed Rahman. So winning by KO is not always decisive enough to say "no more fights required".

You mean like JMM's brother?!?

[ADP02]

You mean like JMM's brother?!?

That was a great rivalry as well.

[Tony B.]

I said he was over-rated and I stand by that. He is a great fighter, just not the greatest as his rabid fans would like to believe. The only real scoring mistake in the first fight was that Pacquiao was given too much credit and too many rounds for aggression that was ineffective. Even if the first round was 10-6, manny didn't win enough subsequent rounds to earn the victory in my opinion. If you believe that Pacquiao really deserves the decision in the first three fights, then you want to see a fifth. If you believe, as many people do, that Marquez has already beaten Pacquiao 4 times, then another fight seems pointless. Do you believe that Pacquiao should fight Bradley again? Or do you believe, as many people do (myself included) that Pacquiao already proved his dominance over Bradley and a second fight would be pointless?

[ADP02]

I said he was over-rated and I stand by that. He is a great fighter, just not the greatest as his rabid fans would like to believe. The only real scoring mistake in the first fight was that Pacquiao was given too much credit and too many rounds for aggression that was ineffective. Even if the first round was 10-6, manny didn't win enough subsequent rounds to earn the victory in my opinion. If you believe that Pacquiao really deserves the decision in the first three fights, then you want to see a fifth. If you believe, as many people do, that Marquez has already beaten Pacquiao 4 times, then another fight seems pointless. Do you believe that Pacquiao should fight Bradley again? Or do you believe, as many people do (myself included) that Pacquiao already proved his dominance over Bradley and a second fight would be pointless?

Bradley vs Manny was not close so I agreed with Manny's move to not fight him at the time ..... the timing was all wrong and nobody would buy it unless you are a Bradley fan ..... BUT Bradley can adjust and beat Manny next time.

The difference.

No matter who you thought won the first three, everyone is in agreement with one thing. They were all close. The 4th was different because of the KO but when you look at it round by round, Marquez was not dominant in that fight.

There was less of an appeal to have Bradley vs Manny II and more of an appeal for Manny vs Marquez V. If they did FIGHT #5, it would make big numbers and it would have huge hype leading up to the fight. That would NOT have been the case if Manny had fought Bradley.