why arent there more slick mexican boxers?

[baya]

miguel cotto mexican? since when?


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LOL ^ great timing!

[baya]

Mexicans have a masculine macho culture. They want to slug it out, not win boring decisions. Everyone knows they are all guts and balls. This is coming from a non-Mexican, non Hispanic. The ones who aren't cut from that cloth get no love from the Mexican people. Perfect example is their favoring Fernando Vargas over de la Hoya .

no dude. relax. ever hear of finito lopez, how about juan manuel marquez? those are slick dudes with power. nothing to do with a masculine culture and everything to do with the guy who trains you, as in the above mentioned case, nacho. you have a plethora of people vying for a selected # of opportunities to make it in the fight game and so its understandable that they'd want to **** in there if not properly equipped with a genius like nacho by their side, in order to get a following. its all about wins and losses, that's it.

and like most latinos ... there was just that thing about ODLH that always bothered us ... i prayed for a vargas win that day, oh man he let me down so bad. vargas was simply a guy that the masses identified with more than odlh.


did you eat that "i'll die in the ring" crap from margarito??

[GrandpaBernard]

Green K.

Their styles definitely reflects their culture, I know because I'm Mexican. You get nothing but tough love growing up, they treat and talk to you like adults even at a young age. It's a very proud culture that refuses to give up no matter how hard the task is, you've got to prove you are more macho than the other guy, losing isn't an option.

That pride fuels these fighters, guys that say they'd rather die in the ring than give up, that can take these vicious beatings like Alvarado, JCC Sr. N Jr., Rios, Margarito, Marquez, etc.

very interesting insight on why Mexicans work so hard

I saw one Mexi single handedly beat up three white boys outside of a bar recently

[kokingbill]

no dude. relax. ever hear of finito lopez, how about juan manuel marquez? those are slick dudes with power. nothing to do with a masculine culture and everything to do with the guy who trains you, as in the above mentioned case, nacho. you have a plethora of people vying for a selected # of opportunities to make it in the fight game and so its understandable that they'd want to **** in there if not properly equipped with a genius like nacho by their side, in order to get a following. its all about wins and losses, that's it.

and like most latinos ... there was just that thing about ODLH that always bothered us ... i prayed for a vargas win that day, oh man he let me down so bad. vargas was simply a guy that the masses identified with more than odlh.


did you eat that "i'll die in the ring" crap from margarito??

No, just the small Mexican heavyweights I've beat on myself that wouldn't go Down.

I didn't say there weren't any "slick" Mexican fighters, just that they are the exception, not the rule.

[yuppie]

What about Sugar Antonio Margarito?

[DARKSEID]

What about Sugar Antonio Margarito?

[teddycanyon]

What about Sugar Antonio Margarito?

hahaha
Sweet Pea Brandon Rios

I think this goes back to what a poster says earlier, they turn pro in their teens, and it's more or less a street fight for these young guys only with gloves and Marquis of Queensbury rules. Most don't have Olympic-calibur trainers who work on finesse and craft, maybe just a dad or an uncle who did it for a living also. And they start off fighting other mexicans who fight in an identical fashion, so you fight in the style you're accustomed to seeing I suppose.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

What about Sugar Antonio Margarito?

Hahahahahahahahahahah

[Bigg Rigg]

Mexicans are thumpers. Been that way for years. Won't ever change either. That's the only way to get respect as a Mexican fighter. Look at Alvarado, Mexicans are saying he ran from Rios. He didn't stand there let Rios hit him but in their eyes, he ran.

[Dr Rumack]

lots of mexican fighters turn pro young and fight for the money. they generally have very little amateur experience. they learn to box in a traditional mexican pro style, which generally uses more head movement than foot movement, and foot movement can be considered "running" at times, and scored accordingly.

also, look closely at some of the best of the best mexican fighters. they aren't as easy to hit as they might appear, at least not flush. lots of them roll right hands, and take steam off of left hand to the liver. that's stuff you learn in the pro game. "slickness" is best learned in the gym when you're young, wearing big gloves and headgear and, nobody is punching that hard to begin with.


and finally, offensive styles are what get you on TV, and make you an endearing figure to mexican fight fans. they don't want miguel vasquez. they don't want early period marquez, who would use the ring . they want late period marquez, who went to war in fights like katsidis, and diaz 1.

Great post, a good antidote to some of the vague psychobabble about culture in the rest of the thread.