Who believes Pacquiao has been a clean, PED free fighter his entire career to date?

[Biolink]

pacquiao dont even know the 'pacman' video game. kimmel asked him and hes reaction is obvious he dont know it.

He might not be intelligent, but as far as fighting goes he's been fighting long enough to certifiably have a PH.D in the fight game. Go to any locker room and just go to the locker room to listen to the gossip. People will do any number of thing's to gain an advantage.

[maguirre]

Let the commission do its job! LOL

Very true. Or hire USADA and bribe them when tested positive.

[SplitSecond]

The bold is complete utter bull, not saying the post but the fact that Manny used that excuse, and it's truly saddening that many people bought into that. That doesn't explain why he initially, from the getgo, during the very start of it all, want a 30 day cutoff. A teaspoon of blood isn't in any way shape or form damaging, especially to an athlete, Pacquiao himself knows that. Again, it may have been a "half ass" version of OST Floyd was demanding, as many are now putting it, but it sure as hell kept Manny away.

30 days cut-off or 14 day cut-off, always unlimited urine

i think the important thing was a no interruptions for awhile in camp
but when he couldn't get it, it was then compromised, and the most important was to at the least be there mentally on the night

[Chris Collins]

When Ariza came on board and he became a monster. Then he destroyed much bigger guys but still i wasnt thinking it. Then he refused tests and made excuse after excuse and for me the red flags went up. Been up ever since.

This is what did it for me aswell and for most who are thinking straight. You just know something ain't right with an athlete when they're refusing tests.

[The Tase]

there isnt a single shred of evidence that pacquiao used and none of the things he did in boxing caused me to say he used peds.

his moving up in weight has been done before countless times throughout boxing history many times over and even in more pronounced fashion.

i mean who did he really kill in the higher weights that caused you to say wow he really is juicing?

david diaz? cmon.
ricky hatton? same hatton that got ktfo by a light hitting floyd? same hatton that got rocked by paulie and lazcano?
margarito? he was basically a punching bag. Any elite fighter could have boxed circles around him.
cotto? a guy who has been hurt in every division and almost every big fight he's ever been in not to mention who is a small welterweight?
mosley? shot and past prime.
oscar? lets not even go there.


If you really take out all the noise and hate, and just analyze all those fights, none of those fights make you say wow smoking gun right there he used.

NONE.

His weights, his physique, none if you take a non biased analytical look, none of it give you an impression he used.

[SplitSecond]

He might not be intelligent, but as far as fighting goes he's been fighting long enough to certifiably have a PH.D in the fight game. Go to any locker room and just go to the locker room to listen to the gossip. People will do any number of thing's to gain an advantage.

have you seen the video when he says "i dont even know what esteroid is"(he says "esteroid")? no hmm, uhh, i'll try to find it

seems very plausible a non english speaking person doesn't know what scientific words like steroid or testosterone actually mean/are
and in a boxing club no one is gonna go out yellin about steroids without making it awkward real quick, so unless roach or sumthin had a sitdown with him lol

this is ofcourse, IF he isn't/wasn't a roider

[SplitSecond]

there isnt a single shred of evidence that pacquiao used and none of the things he did in boxing caused me to say he used peds.

his moving up in weight has been done before countless times throughout boxing history many times over and even in more pronounced fashion.

i mean who did he really kill in the higher weights that caused you to say wow he really is juicing?

david diaz? cmon.
ricky hatton? same hatton that got ktfo by a light hitting floyd? same floyd that got rocked by paulie and lazcano?
margarito? he was basically a punching bag. Any elite fighter could have boxed circles around him.
cotto? a guy who has been hurt in every division and almost every big fight he's ever been in not to mention who is a small welterweight?
mosley? shot and past prime.
oscar? lets not even go there.


If you really take out all the noise and hate, and just analyze all those fights, none of those fights make you say wow smoking gun right there he used.

NONE.

His weights, his physique, none if you take a non biased analytical look, none of it give you an impression he used.

malignaggi's arguement for pacquiao definitely being on steroids is

"he had a war with marquez, but he destroyed these killers and monsters at 135-147?"

i think it's important we take into account styles and calibur of opposition and your list explains it well enough, although these were well thought of opponents with good resume's and such, before the move up pacquiao was already considered "ATG", the least an atg could do, is beat these guys

ok, im posting too much in this thread, you guys carry on without me, peace

[The Big Dunn]

there isnt a single shred of evidence that pacquiao used and none of the things he did in boxing caused me to say he used peds.

his moving up in weight has been done before countless times throughout boxing history many times over and even in more pronounced fashion.

i mean who did he really kill in the higher weights that caused you to say wow he really is juicing?

david diaz? cmon.
ricky hatton? same hatton that got ktfo by a light hitting floyd? same hatton that got rocked by paulie and lazcano?
margarito? he was basically a punching bag. Any elite fighter could have boxed circles around him.
cotto? a guy who has been hurt in every division and almost every big fight he's ever been in not to mention who is a small welterweight?
mosley? shot and past prime.
oscar? lets not even go there.


If you really take out all the noise and hate, and just analyze all those fights, none of those fights make you say wow smoking gun right there he used.

NONE.

His weights, his physique, none if you take a non biased analytical look, none of it give you an impression he used.

What about refusing to fight over drug testing or negotiating a cutoff date for random tests?

[The Tase]

malignaggi's arguement for pacquiao definitely being on steroids is

"he had a war with marquez, but he destroyed these killers and monsters at 135-147?"

i think it's important we take into account styles and calibur of opposition and your list explains it well enough, although these were well thought of opponents with good resume's and such, before the move up pacquiao was already considered "ATG", the least an atg could do, is beat these guys

ok, im posting too much in this thread, you guys carry on without me, peace

paulie's excuse and rationale was subconsciously guided by racism.

"Look at this chinaman, how is he taking these shots from cotto but i couldnt? Peds."

As if he was the moral authority on legal pain tolerance.

[The Big Dunn]

have you seen the video when he says "i dont even know what esteroid is"(he says "esteroid")? no hmm, uhh, i'll try to find it

seems very plausible a non english speaking person doesn't know what scientific words like steroid or testosterone actually mean/are
and in a boxing club no one is gonna go out yellin about steroids without making it awkward real quick, so unless roach or sumthin had a sitdown with him lol

this is ofcourse, IF he isn't/wasn't a roider

You give Floyd the same benefit of the doubt when he said he didn't know nothing about t r t? Seems like a double standard.