Is Tavoris Cloud Ruined?

[percypercy]

I think he is. add him to the list: trinidad, pavlik, pascal, even dawson to a degree. I really dont think cloud will ever be the same fighter. Hopkins was right when he said he takes his opponents souls. what do you guys say?

[Jloro]

He has been executed.

[ИATAS]

Nah he just needs to find that hunger again and leave Don King. He should get right back in the ring, try to fight Shuminov if possible.

[4Corners]

Well the only way I thought Cloud had a chance was if Hopkins was even worse than he was against Dawson, and he wasn't.

Yes it's a nice win for Hopkins, highlighted mainly due to him being 48 years old and still be able to win fights. But let's not act like Cloud was some killer to ever begin with. He was losing to Yusaf Mack before he finally landed something, and clearly lost to Campillo.

[Public_Enemy]

He got exposed like Lacy. I can't see him being too successful going forward.

[gauze]

i dont know if hopkins ruined him. but after getting that gift against campillo, and then campillo getting stopped in 2 rounds...i'm sure this loss doesnt do anything for his confidence.

[Yogi007]

Cloud was only a "C" fighter at best going into the fight. Coming out of the fight, I would guess that he is still a "C" fighter. I wouldn't say that he was ruined. Now if he was an "A" fighter going into the fight and came out of the fight as a "C" fighter, then I would say he was ruined.

[percypercy]

i dont know if hopkins ruined him. but after getting that gift against campillo, and then campillo getting stopped in 2 rounds...i'm sure this loss doesnt do anything for his confidence.

In the words of Hopkins "he destroys young champions and we never see them again."this is is a bad, bad, embarassing loss for cloud for his mind and not to mention reputation. dont know what he will do going forward. leaving Don King and a dominant win over a pascal or dawson is a good start.

[White_Knight]

He would still beat most 48 year olds.

[gauze]

In the words of Hopkins "he destroys young champions and we never see them again."this is is a bad, bad, embarassing loss for cloud for his mind and not to mention reputation. dont know what he will do going forward. leaving Don King and a dominant win over a pascal or dawson is a good start.

if cloud stays with king, we might not see him for awhile. but agree thats the first thing he should do, ditch king. i wouldnt mind seeing him and dawson. it would be a good way to see where both guys are at now. dawson is so inconsistent mentally, and who knows if hes still the same fighter physically after the ward fight. good crossroads fight