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  • Jam Jars
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    #81
    Originally posted by ShamrockXpress
    His chin was no worse than lewis', and Lewis wouldn't have his usual physical advantages, wlad was as fast, strong and athletic as Lewis, I think that would have been a very evenly matched fight, the winner being dependant on who 'turned up' or who landed big first
    He's been in with some of the biggest punchers in HW history. Lewis's chin is very underrated and a hell of a lot better than Wlad's.

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    • BigAlexSand
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      #82
      Not a great fighter but better. Still explains the weak division, when the contenders we consider possible competition still don't get the fights.

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      • DreamFighter
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        #83
        Wlad would have no chance against Lewis, early KO, or he could run all night and then lose a lop sided decision.

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        • Jack Napier
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          #84
          never even heard of this guy until now
          still craving that damn Povetkin fight, but it will be after this
          if Wlad had to kill time with this guy for business reasons, whatever
          but get rid of Povetkin, and maybe Pulev later on this yr
          Wlad needs to make 3 fights this yr and step up his campaign
          he got stuck with Wach, Thompson 2, and Mormeck last yr

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          • Simurgh
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            #85
            Lennox would have all sort of problems with Wlad. No way Lennox's chin would survive the right hand - so he would need to be very cautious. On the other hand Wlad would need to be very cautious not to repeat Vitali's mistake. He would need to box as long as possible before turning the fight into to brawling and inside fighting.

            What Lennox Lewis & Wladimir Klitschko Learned about Each Other on the Set for Ocean’s Eleven:

            Yeah. You know it’s funny you mention that. Some people today, especially younger boxers and people, they see Ocean’s Eleven and they say, “Mr. Steward! We saw you in the movie Ocean’s Eleven, and you were not with Wladimir! You were against Wladimir!” (laughs)

            So it’s confusing to the kids when they see the movie, because some of them all of their lives have seen me in the corner with Wladimir Klitschko. So when we were doing the movie, there was a lot of anxiety among us, because Lennox used to always ask me, much like Wladimir does today, “Emanuel, who is coming up that I have to kind of look out for? Who’s going to be the next big challenge for me?”

            And I told Lennox, “Wladimir Klitschko—the young kid who won the Olympics in Atlanta. That’s the kid that I think is the best talent out there”. I always said that about him.

            So then Wladimir gets knocked out by Corrie Sanders. It was only a couple of weeks right after that, that we were in a training camp in the Poconos. So I’m wrapping Lennox’s hands and he says, “Manny? You see the young Klitschko boy who you’re so high on get knocked out a couple of weeks ago?”

            I said, “Yep!”

            He said, “Are you still that high on him?”

            I said, “Yep! He’s the best heavyweight prospect out there, Lennox. He will dominate the heavyweight division after you”.

            I always believed in Wladimir, but based on the fact that I always believed in Wladimir, when we actually shot those scenes there, and he and Wladimir came in the ring, that was a little strange. There was some uneasiness and everybody was kind of sizing each other up, because we thought at that time, then at least because Wladimir was undefeated, that was going to be our biggest future opponent.

            Now what Wladimir has told me afterwards when we trained, he said, “When we did the scene, when he was moving around Lennox was like jabbing and moving around, and he would blink his eyes when he would jab”. He said, “I remember that, and that stood out”.

            I said, “Believe it or not, Lennox did that a lot when he would box”. And Wladimir caught on to that right away.

            He said, “When he jabbed he would like blink his eye a lot”.

            I said, “Yep”.

            Lennox didn’t really pick up anything too much on Wladimir, but Wladimir picked up on that about Lennox. If they had ever fought, and Wladimir had never lost, and Lennox had fought him—it would have been a very, very intriguing fight I would say, because the best talent between the two, all the way around skill and coordination now that he’s learned got his footwork down, is still Wladimir. But still the best of the two, I would have to say was still at this stage unless Wladimir gets a chance to prove it, would have to have been Lennox here because Lennox did what he had to do. When he had to make adjustments he did them right there.

            You can’t tell what would happen because Wladimir has such unbelievable one-punch punching power, unlike anybody I have ever trained. With most fighters you have to get someone hurt a little bit, stagger them, knock them down, and then they finish them. Wladimir could fight, and I saw him do that so much in the gym, even with 20 ounce gloves. Just out of nowhere where nobody has even been hurt, and just the lights go out and guys go to sleep. Just like Eddy Chambers with one grazing punch, Ray Austin, I mean he’s the most devastating one-punch fighter I’ve ever worked with, and you don’t even see his punches. So at no time are you safe with Wladimir. He may be boring sometimes, but anytime with ten, fifteen, five seconds left sometimes—he can knock someone out.

            But sometimes he gets so comfortable controlling a fight with just his jab, and it ends up almost like a game. He just settles down and gets in a comfort zone, and it’s hard to get him out of that. Whereas Lennox is a little bit more explosive, he’s maybe not as super talented as Wladimir is, but he would do a variety of things. Sometimes that just meant going out and being really physical, and just losing all of your boxing talent and just go out there and just brawl and tear a guy up, and Lennox knew how to do it. So it would have been, to me having worked with both of them, a very interesting fight. I couldn’t even say exactly who would win. I can tell you the strong points of both fighters and that would be it.

            We’d have to sit down and see what would happen, though. Lennox could come out, and being almost as big as Wladimir, could make it a very physical fight. Then Wladimir has a little bit better footwork with his in and out rhythm, and he has that unbelievable short and accurate one-punch punching power that could have gotten Lennox or anybody in trouble, at any point in the fight. It’s one of those fights that I as a fan would love to see myself.

            It’s funny. I started training Wladimir after Lennox beat Vitali, I got a call and with Wladimir, I called him often then and still do today, I still call him “Lennox” a lot, and it’s an accident because of the verbal sound of Lennox and Wladimir, but also the fact they both remind me of each other, and the fact that both of them ask so many questions and they are so exactly detailed. They both like to play chess, which I do not like. Even with Lennox we look at him now as the last great exciting heavyweight, but back then people forget that Lennox was called being “too cautious” and “too boring” and all of that, much like Wladimir today. But they remind me so much of each other in terms of the details and their physical size.


            There you go. I have it 50:50.

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            • Jam Jars
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              #86
              Originally posted by Simurgh
              Lennox would have all sort of problems with Wlad. No way Lennox's chin would survive the right hand - so he would need to be very cautious. On the other hand Wlad would need to be very cautious not to repeat Vitali's mistake. He would need to box as long as possible before turning the fight into to brawling and inside fighting.

              What Lennox Lewis & Wladimir Klitschko Learned about Each Other on the Set for Ocean’s Eleven:

              Yeah. You know it’s funny you mention that. Some people today, especially younger boxers and people, they see Ocean’s Eleven and they say, “Mr. Steward! We saw you in the movie Ocean’s Eleven, and you were not with Wladimir! You were against Wladimir!” (laughs)

              So it’s confusing to the kids when they see the movie, because some of them all of their lives have seen me in the corner with Wladimir Klitschko. So when we were doing the movie, there was a lot of anxiety among us, because Lennox used to always ask me, much like Wladimir does today, “Emanuel, who is coming up that I have to kind of look out for? Who’s going to be the next big challenge for me?”

              And I told Lennox, “Wladimir Klitschko—the young kid who won the Olympics in Atlanta. That’s the kid that I think is the best talent out there”. I always said that about him.

              So then Wladimir gets knocked out by Corrie Sanders. It was only a couple of weeks right after that, that we were in a training camp in the Poconos. So I’m wrapping Lennox’s hands and he says, “Manny? You see the young Klitschko boy who you’re so high on get knocked out a couple of weeks ago?”

              I said, “Yep!”

              He said, “Are you still that high on him?”

              I said, “Yep! He’s the best heavyweight prospect out there, Lennox. He will dominate the heavyweight division after you”.

              I always believed in Wladimir, but based on the fact that I always believed in Wladimir, when we actually shot those scenes there, and he and Wladimir came in the ring, that was a little strange. There was some uneasiness and everybody was kind of sizing each other up, because we thought at that time, then at least because Wladimir was undefeated, that was going to be our biggest future opponent.

              Now what Wladimir has told me afterwards when we trained, he said, “When we did the scene, when he was moving around Lennox was like jabbing and moving around, and he would blink his eyes when he would jab”. He said, “I remember that, and that stood out”.

              I said, “Believe it or not, Lennox did that a lot when he would box”. And Wladimir caught on to that right away.

              He said, “When he jabbed he would like blink his eye a lot”.

              I said, “Yep”.

              Lennox didn’t really pick up anything too much on Wladimir, but Wladimir picked up on that about Lennox. If they had ever fought, and Wladimir had never lost, and Lennox had fought him—it would have been a very, very intriguing fight I would say, because the best talent between the two, all the way around skill and coordination now that he’s learned got his footwork down, is still Wladimir. But still the best of the two, I would have to say was still at this stage unless Wladimir gets a chance to prove it, would have to have been Lennox here because Lennox did what he had to do. When he had to make adjustments he did them right there.

              You can’t tell what would happen because Wladimir has such unbelievable one-punch punching power, unlike anybody I have ever trained. With most fighters you have to get someone hurt a little bit, stagger them, knock them down, and then they finish them. Wladimir could fight, and I saw him do that so much in the gym, even with 20 ounce gloves. Just out of nowhere where nobody has even been hurt, and just the lights go out and guys go to sleep. Just like Eddy Chambers with one grazing punch, Ray Austin, I mean he’s the most devastating one-punch fighter I’ve ever worked with, and you don’t even see his punches. So at no time are you safe with Wladimir. He may be boring sometimes, but anytime with ten, fifteen, five seconds left sometimes—he can knock someone out.

              But sometimes he gets so comfortable controlling a fight with just his jab, and it ends up almost like a game. He just settles down and gets in a comfort zone, and it’s hard to get him out of that. Whereas Lennox is a little bit more explosive, he’s maybe not as super talented as Wladimir is, but he would do a variety of things. Sometimes that just meant going out and being really physical, and just losing all of your boxing talent and just go out there and just brawl and tear a guy up, and Lennox knew how to do it. So it would have been, to me having worked with both of them, a very interesting fight. I couldn’t even say exactly who would win. I can tell you the strong points of both fighters and that would be it.

              We’d have to sit down and see what would happen, though. Lennox could come out, and being almost as big as Wladimir, could make it a very physical fight. Then Wladimir has a little bit better footwork with his in and out rhythm, and he has that unbelievable short and accurate one-punch punching power that could have gotten Lennox or anybody in trouble, at any point in the fight. It’s one of those fights that I as a fan would love to see myself.

              It’s funny. I started training Wladimir after Lennox beat Vitali, I got a call and with Wladimir, I called him often then and still do today, I still call him “Lennox” a lot, and it’s an accident because of the verbal sound of Lennox and Wladimir, but also the fact they both remind me of each other, and the fact that both of them ask so many questions and they are so exactly detailed. They both like to play chess, which I do not like. Even with Lennox we look at him now as the last great exciting heavyweight, but back then people forget that Lennox was called being “too cautious” and “too boring” and all of that, much like Wladimir today. But they remind me so much of each other in terms of the details and their physical size.


              There you go. I have it 50:50.
              A trainer hyping a fighter he's currently training isn't surprising at all. He's not going to say "Lewis would have knocked him out" now is he. Part of his job is to give his fighter confidence.

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              • ShamrockXpress
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                #87
                Originally posted by Own3d
                He's been in with some of the biggest punchers in HW history. Lewis's chin is very underrated and a hell of a lot better than Wlad's.
                Some of the biggest punchers who couldn't land, he took some good shots off vitali, but tua couldn't land, nor could morrisson, that highlights there flaws more than Lewis strengths, twice two people who didn't hit as hard as wlad landed and knocked him out, same as people who didn't hit as hard as Lewis knocked wlad out, it would be an evenly matched fight

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                • Jam Jars
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                  #88
                  Originally posted by ShamrockXpress
                  Some of the biggest punchers who couldn't land, he took some good shots off vitali, but tua couldn't land, nor could morrisson, that highlights there flaws more than Lewis strengths, twice two people who didn't hit as hard as wlad landed and knocked him out, same as people who didn't hit as hard as Lewis knocked wlad out, it would be an evenly matched fight
                  Tua and Tyson both landed decent shots on Lewis not many but there was a few. Lewis was KD twice in his whole career Wlad has been down 10+. The fight isn't even at all, Lewis was a more complete fighter.

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                  • Simurgh
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                    #89
                    Originally posted by Own3d
                    A trainer hyping a fighter he's currently training isn't surprising at all. He's not going to say "Lewis would have knocked him out" now is he. Part of his job is to give his fighter confidence.
                    He didn't say it because he didn't believe in that. He explained his opinion.
                    Wlad has all the confidence he needs. He collected that for 20 years of beating the fighters.

                    Moreover this was on "The Legacy of Lennox Lewis with Emanuel" so it was about Lennox not Wlad.

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                    • Simurgh
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                      #90
                      Lewis chin is ok, but lets not pretend it's great.

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