Comments Thread For: Klitschko is Not Bothered By Critics of Pianeta Clash

[LacedUp]

Thompson was mandatory. Mormeck is no excuse but Wach came as a undefeated,bigger and with better reach than Wladimir. I don't think Vitali can be called TOP 10 ATG beacuse of his 4 years break but H2H he would be. As for Wlad if he keep winning untill he'll retire, he will be TOP 10 ATG for sure. Holmes fought in poor era, Tyson didn't beat anybody special yet everybody call them ATGs. And also I don't think Haye ran, but a lot of people say it beacuse all the **** he said before the fight, how he'll KTFO Wlad. The truth is he was scare in that fight and didn't take the risk he said he would. That's why he's a joke. It was 1,5 year ago. If he didn't have such a ego, he'd keep fighting, keep winning and he would be mandatory for either of Klitchkos. He doesn't give a **** about boxing. As for who was better amateur we could argue about it. Wlad had a better record and also was a olympic goldmedalist but we're talking about pro boxing.

I know he was a mandatory, I still don't excuse it. Greater champions than Wlad has given up belts to avoid such a disappointing matchup. Wach might have been bigger, but his best win was a fat Kevin McBride who in his prime was a C level fighter - no disrespect to him. Holmes didn't particularly fight in a bad era, there was many good fighters some '78-'88 where he was champion. He was 48-0 and had more title defences than anyone. Tyson era was crap, but he's the youngest undisputed HW of all times. However, nobody with respect for themselves will have either of those in top 10 HW of all times. Going back all the way to Jack Johnson and fighters who had 150 fights. Wladimir can do whatever he wants, but he wont be in top 10. All of those fighters have been in exiting, epic wars. Defined boxing for their era - took the publics imagination - so that when they fought, the world stood still. They had a nemesis who the world was waiting for them to fight. Look at Tunney, Marciano, Bear, Lennox, Johnson, Louis, Dempsey, Ali, Schmeling ( who fought in front of 100 thousand+ people). After these guys come Liston, Tyson, Holmes, Holyfield, Wlad, Patterson and those types of guys. And once again, I reiterate - head to head Wlad might have had a chance - but we wouldn't know because he hasn't been in with someone who was really on his level (post brewster). Btw, Lewis won Olympic gold in 1988 - not sure if you knew. He should have won in '84 also, but he was robbed in the final.

[LacedUp]

The point is, doesn't matter who Wlad fights, you will bash him. Wlad fought 'old and fat' Thompson, who then went to destroy Price in 2 rounds. Quite ironic. Maybe Wlad's just too fooking good.

You compare a veteran of almost 60 fights who has been champion for almost 10 years to a guy who is a 15 fight novice? What are you on? I'd like to get some of that. And no, if he fought actual challengers Fury, Pulev, Povetkin etc I wouldn't be bashing him. But when he gives these guys the chance to win the biggest prize in sports (and there's always a chance, we all know he has a dodgy chin) I will "bash" him as you call it.

[Weltschmerz]

You compare a veteran of almost 60 fights who has been champion for almost 10 years to a guy who is a 15 fight novice? What are you on? I'd like to get some of that.

There was no comparison of Wlad and Price. But you - among many others - said that Price would KO Thompson faster than Wlad did, and you were wrong. In other words, those guys Wlad are fighting are maybe not that bad, Wlad just makes them look bad, because of his own superiority. Like he made Haye look timid.

Perhaps Price should fight Pianeta.

[Szef]

I know he was a mandatory, I still don't excuse it. Greater champions than Wlad has given up belts to avoid such a disappointing matchup. Wach might have been bigger, but his best win was a fat Kevin McBride who in his prime was a C level fighter - no disrespect to him. Holmes didn't particularly fight in a bad era, there was many good fighters some '78-'88 where he was champion. He was 48-0 and had more title defences than anyone. Tyson era was crap, but he's the youngest undisputed HW of all times. However, nobody with respect for themselves will have either of those in top 10 HW of all times. Going back all the way to Jack Johnson and fighters who had 150 fights. Wladimir can do whatever he wants, but he wont be in top 10. All of those fighters have been in exiting, epic wars. Defined boxing for their era - took the publics imagination - so that when they fought, the world stood still. They had a nemesis who the world was waiting for them to fight. Look at Tunney, Marciano, Bear, Lennox, Johnson, Louis, Dempsey, Ali, Schmeling ( who fought in front of 100 thousand+ people). After these guys come Liston, Tyson, Holmes, Holyfield, Wlad, Patterson and those types of guys. And once again, I reiterate - head to head Wlad might have had a chance - but we wouldn't know because he hasn't been in with someone who was really on his level (post brewster). Btw, Lewis won Olympic gold in 1988 - not sure if you knew. He should have won in '84 also, but he was robbed in the final.

I meant Wlad also won Olympics like Lennox did. In 84' Lewis never made to the final, he lost in quarter final. For you ATG is something more mystical than tham it should be. Yes I agree they had a great fights but being ATG is not only about it. Being HOF is. All time greatness is also about skills, resume and the "it" factor. For Tyson it was being youngest undisputed champ, for Wlad it is being most dominant.

[LacedUp]

There was no comparison of Wlad and Price. But you - among many others - said that Price would KO Thompson faster than Wlad did, and you were wrong. In other words, those guys Wlad are fighting are maybe not that bad, Wlad just makes them look bad, because of his own superiority. Like he made Haye look timid.

Perhaps Price should fight Pianeta.

No, perhaps Price was just caught like Wlad was against Purity/Sanders/Brewster. This is HW boxing, shit happens. Maybe Price wasn't as good as I thought? Who knows, time will tell. But it doesn't change the fact that Thompson wasn't good enough for Wlad. Or maybe you will like a trilogy?

Yes, Pianeta is much more suitable for that level at the time being. I agree.

[LacedUp]

I meant Wlad also won Olympics like Lennox did. In 84' Lewis never made to the final, he lost in quarter final. For you ATG is something more mystical than tham it should be. Yes I agree they had a great fights but being ATG is not only about it. Being HOF is. All time greatness is also about skills, resume and the "it" factor. For Tyson it was being youngest undisputed champ, for Wlad it is being most dominant.

Sorry I meant quarter-final. No I don't think it is. Being the greatest of all times is not only about skill. It is more mystical than that. Does Wlad really have the 'it' factor? Do you get up on your chair when he fights? Do you bite your nails? This can be discussed for years to come and people have their own definitions, but I doubt anyone will have Wlad in the top 10. I have him right around 20 at the moment, Vitali a few spots further down. Wlad could enhance a couple of spots, but never to top 10. The era is simply too weak. He should have been born 10 years earlier.

[DreamFighter]

but if he had been born 10years earlier, he would have been just another contender and get KOed by Lewis, and would be too old to profit from beating up poor HWs of the late Norties and today.

And then he'd never have made the top 50, let alone top 20.

[Jam Jars]

Wlad only cares about improving his bank balance now. When you choose fighters like Mormeck and Pianeta it isn't because you want a challenge. Vitali has been doing this for the last couple of years.

[Szef]

Sorry I meant quarter-final. No I don't think it is. Being the greatest of all times is not only about skill. It is more mystical than that. Does Wlad really have the 'it' factor? Do you get up on your chair when he fights? Do you bite your nails? This can be discussed for years to come and people have their own definitions, but I doubt anyone will have Wlad in the top 10. I have him right around 20 at the moment, Vitali a few spots further down. Wlad could enhance a couple of spots, but never to top 10. The era is simply too weak. He should have been born 10 years earlier.

Being dominant for almost 10 years (for now)? Yes I think that's the "it" factor

[Jam Jars]

Being dominant for almost 10 years (for now)? Yes I think that's the "it" factor

Which makes choosing opponents like Pianeta even more pathetic. He's so much better but still needs to sink to the class below the top 10 for his voluntaries.