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  • Here, Matthysse lands a cross counter over the top of Peterson’s jab. Because most fighters aim there punches directly toward an opponent’s center, by taking his head off line and to his left, Matthysse lands his right hand (this punch initiated the first knockdown sequence) while Peterson’s jab misses and ends up somewhere near Matthysse’s right shoulder.


    The set up

    There’s no denying that Lucas Matthysse is one of the biggest punchers in the sport right now. Even glancing blows seem to put his opponents on Queer Street. However, all the knockout power in the world will amount to nothing unless a fighter can set an opponent up and disguise his real intentions. (Nonito Donaire found this out the hard way against Guillermo Rigondeaux very recently). In boxing, basic punches will not land with any regularity unless a fighter can do something which makes an opponent open up (feinting, drawing, pivoting to gain a dominant angle etc.). For me, this is one of the most overlooked aspects of Lucas Matthysse’s game. Matthysse is brilliant at maneuvering his opponents into such a position –using low contact punches, feints and footwork—so to create an opening for a more telling blow.
    Here is Matthysse manipulating Peterson’s guard and defenses by throwing not one, not two, but THREE (double jab, straight right) punches in an attempt to create an opening for his left hook.



    Here is Matthysse throwing three “minor” punches in order to set up one “major” blow. As Matthysse shuffles forward after cutting off the ring, forcing Peterson to the ropes, he throws two blinding jabs (jab feints) to occupy Peterson. While the first jab is thrown short (as a distraction) the second one is thrown much deeper, allowing Matthysse to move in behind it and bridge the gap. From there, with Peterson’s guard slightly raised because of the double jab, Matthysse throws a straight right hand to Peterson’s stomach. This does two things;
    • It positions Matthysse at a more favorable angle to come back with a left hook (spring-loaded his left).

    • It forces Peterson to adjust his guard slightly to compensate for the body attack.

    With Peterson hunching over slightly in anticipation of another possible body attack, Matthysse lands a left hook high on Peterson’s head, sending him to the canvas. Peterson never fully recovered from this attack.
    Barely seconds into third round, there was more punching intellect from Matthysse.




    During this sequence, Matthysse first slips inside of Peterson’s jab. As Peterson ducks low in response, Matthysse forces him onto his back foot with a blinding jab. With Peterson backpedalling, Matthysse feints a right hand, which draws Peterson’s lead hand away from his guard, and comes back with a hard left. Again, Matthysse is thinking two and three punches ahead in there.
    With Peterson wobbled again, we didn’t have to wait too long before the end arrived.





    As both men find themselves slightly out of position, Matthysse is the first to adjust his feet and manages to connect with a compact left hook to the chin, all but ending the fight for Peterson. Although Peterson made it to his feet, his legs were gone and he soon he hit the canvas for a final time after yet another left hook.

    At this juncture, I’m hard pushed to think of anyone at 140 pounds that I would favor over Matthysse. Amir Khan certainly has the speed and footwork that may keep Matthysse turning and prevent him from getting set to hit, but ultimately, Khan’s defensive frailties are bound to rear their ugly head at some stage, meaning he would more than likely succumb to Matthysse’s unforgiving power punching. Danny Garcia is a smart counterpuncher with good timing who could possibly hurt Matthysse should he get to him first, but looking at how Zab Judah was able to withstand Garcia’s best and then hurt Garcia himself late in the fight, I have a hard time seeing Garcia coming out on top during any kind of exchange with Matthysse. As I’ve already stated, not only does Matthysse have underrated defense (slipping, parrying etc.), he also has a world class chin –Peterson landed a couple of uppercuts as he was moving inside that would have wobbled many a Jr. welterweight. Matthysse never so much as blinked.
    All things considered, it was quite the eye opening performance from Lucas Matthysse –out boxing Peterson from the outside and out fighting him on the inside. Matthysse is not only one of the most damaging punchers currently in boxing, but with his ring intelligence and punch placement, he is also one of the most cerebral. Unlike some punchers who are head over heels in love with their power and aim everything at the head, Matthysse will patiently work the body for a period of time (usually behind straight rights and low jabs), bringing down his opponent’s guard before taking the attack up top. And when he is attacking up top, he is always mixing up straight punches with arcing punches, constantly forcing his opponents to narrow and widen their guard to compensate. Add to this the fact that he almost always takes his head off line while he is punching, and you have a very complete and dangerous fighter indeed.

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    • Originally posted by joesaiditstrue View Post



      Here, Matthysse lands a cross counter over the top of Peterson’s jab. Because most fighters aim there punches directly toward an opponent’s center, by taking his head off line and to his left, Matthysse lands his right hand (this punch initiated the first knockdown sequence) while Peterson’s jab misses and ends up somewhere near Matthysse’s right shoulder.


      The set up

      There’s no denying that Lucas Matthysse is one of the biggest punchers in the sport right now. Even glancing blows seem to put his opponents on Queer Street. However, all the knockout power in the world will amount to nothing unless a fighter can set an opponent up and disguise his real intentions. (Nonito Donaire found this out the hard way against Guillermo Rigondeaux very recently). In boxing, basic punches will not land with any regularity unless a fighter can do something which makes an opponent open up (feinting, drawing, pivoting to gain a dominant angle etc.). For me, this is one of the most overlooked aspects of Lucas Matthysse’s game. Matthysse is brilliant at maneuvering his opponents into such a position –using low contact punches, feints and footwork—so to create an opening for a more telling blow.
      Here is Matthysse manipulating Peterson’s guard and defenses by throwing not one, not two, but THREE (double jab, straight right) punches in an attempt to create an opening for his left hook.



      Here is Matthysse throwing three “minor” punches in order to set up one “major” blow. As Matthysse shuffles forward after cutting off the ring, forcing Peterson to the ropes, he throws two blinding jabs (jab feints) to occupy Peterson. While the first jab is thrown short (as a distraction) the second one is thrown much deeper, allowing Matthysse to move in behind it and bridge the gap. From there, with Peterson’s guard slightly raised because of the double jab, Matthysse throws a straight right hand to Peterson’s stomach. This does two things;
      • It positions Matthysse at a more favorable angle to come back with a left hook (spring-loaded his left).

      • It forces Peterson to adjust his guard slightly to compensate for the body attack.

      With Peterson hunching over slightly in anticipation of another possible body attack, Matthysse lands a left hook high on Peterson’s head, sending him to the canvas. Peterson never fully recovered from this attack.
      Barely seconds into third round, there was more punching intellect from Matthysse.




      During this sequence, Matthysse first slips inside of Peterson’s jab. As Peterson ducks low in response, Matthysse forces him onto his back foot with a blinding jab. With Peterson backpedalling, Matthysse feints a right hand, which draws Peterson’s lead hand away from his guard, and comes back with a hard left. Again, Matthysse is thinking two and three punches ahead in there.
      With Peterson wobbled again, we didn’t have to wait too long before the end arrived.





      As both men find themselves slightly out of position, Matthysse is the first to adjust his feet and manages to connect with a compact left hook to the chin, all but ending the fight for Peterson. Although Peterson made it to his feet, his legs were gone and he soon he hit the canvas for a final time after yet another left hook.

      At this juncture, I’m hard pushed to think of anyone at 140 pounds that I would favor over Matthysse. Amir Khan certainly has the speed and footwork that may keep Matthysse turning and prevent him from getting set to hit, but ultimately, Khan’s defensive frailties are bound to rear their ugly head at some stage, meaning he would more than likely succumb to Matthysse’s unforgiving power punching. Danny Garcia is a smart counterpuncher with good timing who could possibly hurt Matthysse should he get to him first, but looking at how Zab Judah was able to withstand Garcia’s best and then hurt Garcia himself late in the fight, I have a hard time seeing Garcia coming out on top during any kind of exchange with Matthysse. As I’ve already stated, not only does Matthysse have underrated defense (slipping, parrying etc.), he also has a world class chin –Peterson landed a couple of uppercuts as he was moving inside that would have wobbled many a Jr. welterweight. Matthysse never so much as blinked.
      All things considered, it was quite the eye opening performance from Lucas Matthysse –out boxing Peterson from the outside and out fighting him on the inside. Matthysse is not only one of the most damaging punchers currently in boxing, but with his ring intelligence and punch placement, he is also one of the most cerebral. Unlike some punchers who are head over heels in love with their power and aim everything at the head, Matthysse will patiently work the body for a period of time (usually behind straight rights and low jabs), bringing down his opponent’s guard before taking the attack up top. And when he is attacking up top, he is always mixing up straight punches with arcing punches, constantly forcing his opponents to narrow and widen their guard to compensate. Add to this the fact that he almost always takes his head off line while he is punching, and you have a very complete and dangerous fighter indeed.
      That was a bad ass breakdown. Lucas from the looks of it is still underrated around these parts.

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      • That's one of the best written analysis of a fight I've read in a very long time.
        FerFAL

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        • Originally posted by Suavecito80 View Post
          That was a bad ass breakdown. Lucas from the looks of it is still underrated around these parts.
          Going by Peterson's comments, I think the cat was out of the bag with respect to his skill level already. Hunter and Peterson certainly seemed to respect his boxing ability anyway.

          In the wider public the emphasis will still be on his power but I guess you have to expect that. I think people get too caught up on the shots he throws when he's loading up though, the really wide ones. He also throws those wide left hooks to the body from the outside as well which give people the impression that he's wild in what he does.

          The good thing about that breakdown is that it shows you the gameplan that's at work, the time that he invests in setting up those big shots and the straight shots that he can throw if he wants to in order to do it.

          It doesn't matter too much if people still underestimate him. a lot of people severely underestimated him in the lead up to the Peterson fight and it made the manner of his victory all the more dramatic. When a guy has the goods being underestimated is a good thing, just as long as he gets the opportunities. I'm sure Danny Garcia's fans will be thinking the same thing about their guy should the two meet in September.

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          • Originally posted by joesaiditstrue View Post

            Here, Matthysse lands a cross counter over the top of Peterson’s jab. Because most fighters aim there punches directly toward an opponent’s center, by taking his head off line and to his left, Matthysse lands his right hand (this punch initiated the first knockdown sequence) while Peterson’s jab misses and ends up somewhere near Matthysse’s right shoulder.


            The set up

            There’s no denying that Lucas Matthysse is one of the biggest punchers in the sport right now. Even glancing blows seem to put his opponents on Queer Street. However, all the knockout power in the world will amount to nothing unless a fighter can set an opponent up and disguise his real intentions. (Nonito Donaire found this out the hard way against Guillermo Rigondeaux very recently). In boxing, basic punches will not land with any regularity unless a fighter can do something which makes an opponent open up (feinting, drawing, pivoting to gain a dominant angle etc.). For me, this is one of the most overlooked aspects of Lucas Matthysse’s game. Matthysse is brilliant at maneuvering his opponents into such a position –using low contact punches, feints and footwork—so to create an opening for a more telling blow.
            Here is Matthysse manipulating Peterson’s guard and defenses by throwing not one, not two, but THREE (double jab, straight right) punches in an attempt to create an opening for his left hook.


            Here is Matthysse throwing three “minor” punches in order to set up one “major” blow. As Matthysse shuffles forward after cutting off the ring, forcing Peterson to the ropes, he throws two blinding jabs (jab feints) to occupy Peterson. While the first jab is thrown short (as a distraction) the second one is thrown much deeper, allowing Matthysse to move in behind it and bridge the gap. From there, with Peterson’s guard slightly raised because of the double jab, Matthysse throws a straight right hand to Peterson’s stomach. This does two things;
            • It positions Matthysse at a more favorable angle to come back with a left hook (spring-loaded his left).

            • It forces Peterson to adjust his guard slightly to compensate for the body attack.

            With Peterson hunching over slightly in anticipation of another possible body attack, Matthysse lands a left hook high on Peterson’s head, sending him to the canvas. Peterson never fully recovered from this attack.
            Barely seconds into third round, there was more punching intellect from Matthysse.


            During this sequence, Matthysse first slips inside of Peterson’s jab. As Peterson ducks low in response, Matthysse forces him onto his back foot with a blinding jab. With Peterson backpedalling, Matthysse feints a right hand, which draws Peterson’s lead hand away from his guard, and comes back with a hard left. Again, Matthysse is thinking two and three punches ahead in there.
            With Peterson wobbled again, we didn’t have to wait too long before the end arrived.




            As both men find themselves slightly out of position, Matthysse is the first to adjust his feet and manages to connect with a compact left hook to the chin, all but ending the fight for Peterson. Although Peterson made it to his feet, his legs were gone and he soon he hit the canvas for a final time after yet another left hook.

            At this juncture, I’m hard pushed to think of anyone at 140 pounds that I would favor over Matthysse. Amir Khan certainly has the speed and footwork that may keep Matthysse turning and prevent him from getting set to hit, but ultimately, Khan’s defensive frailties are bound to rear their ugly head at some stage, meaning he would more than likely succumb to Matthysse’s unforgiving power punching. Danny Garcia is a smart counterpuncher with good timing who could possibly hurt Matthysse should he get to him first, but looking at how Zab Judah was able to withstand Garcia’s best and then hurt Garcia himself late in the fight, I have a hard time seeing Garcia coming out on top during any kind of exchange with Matthysse. As I’ve already stated, not only does Matthysse have underrated defense (slipping, parrying etc.), he also has a world class chin –Peterson landed a couple of uppercuts as he was moving inside that would have wobbled many a Jr. welterweight. Matthysse never so much as blinked.
            All things considered, it was quite the eye opening performance from Lucas Matthysse –out boxing Peterson from the outside and out fighting him on the inside. Matthysse is not only one of the most damaging punchers currently in boxing, but with his ring intelligence and punch placement, he is also one of the most cerebral. Unlike some punchers who are head over heels in love with their power and aim everything at the head, Matthysse will patiently work the body for a period of time (usually behind straight rights and low jabs), bringing down his opponent’s guard before taking the attack up top. And when he is attacking up top, he is always mixing up straight punches with arcing punches, constantly forcing his opponents to narrow and widen their guard to compensate. Add to this the fact that he almost always takes his head off line while he is punching, and you have a very complete and dangerous fighter indeed.
            Respect man for putting in the time and effort into this post.

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            • Originally posted by Rifa View Post
              Respect man for putting in the time and effort into this post.
              can't take credit, it's from a website and figured it would be easier for people to read here rather than clicking another link

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              • The only thing that stood out about Matthyse vs Lamont was how horrible and timid Lamont looked....It looked like he was practically drugged/didn't want to be there or something...Nothing Lucas did impressed me at all...In fact he looked his typical crude sloppy. amateurish self. The only thing that stood out was how uncharacteristically bad Lamont looked.

                Garcia has a superb chin and has never been seriously hurt in a fight...He far more refined and diverse in his skill set than Matthyse is...Shouldn't be that tough of a fight and I see Garcia beating the piss out of Matthyse.

                Garcia stops Lucas in 10...Heard it first here!!

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                • Originally posted by animalfan10 View Post
                  The only thing that stood out about Matthyse vs Lamont was how horrible and timid Lamont looked....It looked like he was practically drugged/didn't want to be there or something...Nothing Lucas did impressed me at all...In fact he looked his typical crude sloppy. amateurish self. The only thing that stood out was how uncharacteristically bad Lamont looked.

                  Jesus f Christ people, I swear its like reading comments about boxing in a Taylor Swift forum.

                  Lamont Peterson is not a bad boxer at all. He's actually a very good boxer, probably top 5 in the 140s. He's fast, he can box, he’s got guts, good chin, he's very good in spite of having lost. Up until then he had only been down three times in his entire career.

                  What some of you dont seem to understand is that it’s one thing to watch two guys fight while sipping beer and eating nachos in your living room, and its another very different to actually be there getting the living crap punched out of you. Referee Steve Somger said it himself, Matthysse is without a doubt the hardest hitting 140, by a comfortable margin. The people on the ringside said they could hear the power of each punches, Zab Judah says he’s the stronger puncher he ever fought. Lamont was getting hurt from punch nro1, and being the champ he is he fought for as long as he could in spite of it.

                  So Peterson, talented, skilled, he had a plan to fight him and started doing that in round 1. Why did he change his strategy to “box” Matthysse from the outside, avoid getting punched? Is Peterson stupid or something? No, Peterson had to do something else because each punch landed by Matthysse was destroying him, and in spite of being a tough dude he knew there was no way he would survive getting hit like that. By the end of round one he tried to find some other way of neutralizing Matthysee, but brawling wasn’t going to work either.
                  Peterson looked bad not because he’s a bad boxer but because he had no answers to a guy that is much stronger than him, was parrying his jabs, shrugged away his best hook, kept cutting the ring, and simply beat the living **** out of him. Anyone would look like crap under those circumstances.
                  FerFAL

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                  • Originally posted by joesaiditstrue View Post
                    Lucas Matthysse is a one-dimensional, flat-footed no skilled brawler.

                    er...

                    HOW HE DID IT: Underrated Technician Matthysse Not Just A Bomber

                    Written by Lee Wylie

                    (CONT)
                    good post. I'm glad someone articulated this. those of us who think he's skilled aren't just seeing things.

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                    • Originally posted by Body Movin' View Post
                      i read steak instead of streak, i saw fat dan.

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