judah vs baldomir

[puppy_dogg]

judah by tko in 3 rounds or less. no way in hell we see an upset

[flipside]

judah is undisputed and if his record is padded then there msut be something wrong with the division,or even the sport, whatever you say judah is undisputed!

[moochi]

no, I don't. your face may be quite padded. probably from those pillows you've been biting

Judah beat Corley, Spinks, Millet, Pineda, Ward (Judah's 16th pro fight), Witter, Green, Jan Bergman, maybe a couple more. That's a respectable record.

Are you saying Baldomir has fought better? He hasn't. Are you saying Mayweather has fought better? Yes, he has, but that doesn't mean Judah hasn't fought good opponents.

And before you say something about me listing Pineda, he was a better opponent than given credit for. His only losses besides Judah are Spinks, Piccirrilo, Whitaker, Breland, and Emmett Linton (worst guy he has a loss to and it was a King fighter, so who knows?). Pineda knocked out Roger Mayweather and Oba Carr. So that's a much better opponent than he's given credit for.

u seem to know a lot about pillows and face padding........i won't comment further on that one...

i said quite padded, not fully padded......from that list of his best opponents, only spinks stands out, and spinks wasn't exactly a huge name either......he has a respectable record but not with top notch opponents, as opposed to tszyu, mayweather, etc....

Am I saying Baldomir has fought better? No way moron, that was the point, fighting rivera, baldomir, etc makes him look like a real *****.........and in regards to being undisputed champ, that is rather disputable from my point of view.......

can anyone out there give me a precise explanation to what the term "undisputed champion" means?....being undisputed champ in my eyes, would be to clean out the division of the top contenders and or other title holders........he only beat spinks....credit to spinks for getting his titles.........tszyu was a true undisputed champ by KTFO'ing the other champs and top contenders..........hopkins alike, etc etc.....

[masterdirector]

u seem to know a lot about pillows and face padding........i won't comment further on that one...

i said quite padded, not fully padded......from that list of his best opponents, only spinks stands out, and spinks wasn't exactly a huge name either......he has a respectable record but not with top notch opponents, as opposed to tszyu, mayweather, etc....

Am I saying Baldomir has fought better? No way moron, that was the point, fighting rivera, baldomir, etc makes him look like a real *****.........and in regards to being undisputed champ, that is rather disputable from my point of view.......

can anyone out there give me a precise explanation to what the term "undisputed champion" means?....being undisputed champ in my eyes, would be to clean out the division of the top contenders and or other title holders........he only beat spinks....credit to spinks for getting his titles.........tszyu was a true undisputed champ by KTFO'ing the other champs and top contenders..........hopkins alike, etc etc.....

as opposed to Tszyu?! LOL, Tszyu's biggest win IS JUDAH! Judah can't beat himself!! LOL! (get your mind out of the gutter)

and okay idiot, whose fault is it that Baldomir is ranked #1? Sure as hell not Zab's. Zab made it very clear as soon as he won the welterweight titles that he was going to hold on to all of them for dear life so nobody could duck him anymore. He said he'd defend against horrible mandatories just so he couldn't be stripped. Everyone at 140 was ducking his ass so he had to move up.

Tszyu was scared ****less to give him a rematch b/c Tszyu knew the fight was stopped early. Tszyu's big win was an early stoppage and everyone knows it. Then Tszyu held the titles hostage for like 2 years while he sat on his ass with his "injuries" like Vitali. Tszyu and Vitali are the two most injury prone mofos to ever wear boxing gloves.

[moochi]

Tszyu was scared ****less to give him a rematch b/c Tszyu knew the fight was stopped early. Tszyu's big win was an early stoppage and everyone knows it.

A pity that the world of boxing doesn't know it, and the rules of boxing don't know it, and every NORMAL person who watched it doesn't know it, and furthermore, that fight gave Zab more popularity than his win over spinks did......

Then Tszyu held the titles hostage for like 2 years while he sat on his ass with his "injuries" like Vitali. Tszyu and Vitali are the two most injury prone mofos to ever wear boxing gloves.

I don't know how you can compare Tszyu to Vitali........but you obviously do that for a reason.........Tszyu is a legend and one of the best ever at his weight.......he fought about 10 or so world champions, future world champions, etc and did so in style......Tszyu never ever ducked a single opponent and the whole boxing world knows that......he is one of the finest examples of a true legend, inside and outside the ring......

if tszyu was a yank, you'd be nuthugging him like crazy, but because he isn't you try and discount him......in england when people start sooking, they just say "scoreboard"....

[masterdirector]

Whatever, you said nothing to argue my points. You just nuthugged Tszyu with nothing of substance man.

Never ducked anybody? How many times did he pull out against Mitchell? Against Judah? How long did he go without fighting AT ALL? And when he did, he was called Champion Emeritus!!! Come on, they rewarded Tszyu for sitting on his ass. Tszyu even bribed the sanctioning bodies to hold his titles longer than he should've had them. Remember he paid that mysterious $26k fee that had never been before mentioned and isn't at all in the rulebooks. He wanted to hold his titles without fighting anybody good. He thought he'd get an easy win against Hatton, whom he thought was too inexperienced to beat him. He QUIT! LOL you're defending a guy that quit against Hatton, when he clearly could've continued. Why quit if you're not really hurt? There's still a chance you could get a surprise knockdown or knockout and turn the fight around.

yeah I do compare Tszyu to Vitali. They both lack heart.

Now Tszyu is/was a very skilled fighter, I'll give him that. Very accurate puncher. And yeah he's fought some decent people. I'm not convinced that he has beat that much better than Judah, but he's a good fighter. At the same time, he has been too much of a coward for a while. Why didn't he ever try getting a fight with DLH? He sure had no problem fighting DLH's opponents after DLH softened them up (yeah Tszyu would've won anyhow).

[moochi]

Whatever, you said nothing to argue my points. You just nuthugged Tszyu with nothing of substance man.

Never ducked anybody? How many times did he pull out against Mitchell? Against Judah? How long did he go without fighting AT ALL? And when he did, he was called Champion Emeritus!!! Come on, they rewarded Tszyu for sitting on his ass. Tszyu even bribed the sanctioning bodies to hold his titles longer than he should've had them. Remember he paid that mysterious $26k fee that had never been before mentioned and isn't at all in the rulebooks. He wanted to hold his titles without fighting anybody good. He thought he'd get an easy win against Hatton, whom he thought was too inexperienced to beat him. He QUIT! LOL you're defending a guy that quit against Hatton, when he clearly could've continued. Why quit if you're not really hurt? There's still a chance you could get a surprise knockdown or knockout and turn the fight around.

yeah I do compare Tszyu to Vitali. They both lack heart.

Now Tszyu is/was a very skilled fighter, I'll give him that. Very accurate puncher. And yeah he's fought some decent people. I'm not convinced that he has beat that much better than Judah, but he's a good fighter. At the same time, he has been too much of a coward for a while. Why didn't he ever try getting a fight with DLH? He sure had no problem fighting DLH's opponents after DLH softened them up (yeah Tszyu would've won anyhow).

the guy was injured for god's sake.........he only kept the ibf title...the champion emeritus was the wbc and wasn't an actual belt....

he never dodged any fighter at all man, but he was injured and he still fought mitchell anyway......i'm sure he would have preferred to fight mitchell in moscow instead of the u.s, but **** happened and he got injured.....

the moment tszyu started running amok in the division, dlh moved up and mosley skipped the division and went straight to welter........tszyu as an up and comer kept saying he dreamt of fighting chavez, and he did....of course chavez was past his prime in that fight, but what happened happened and only dlh did the same to chavez.

he lost to hatton for many reasons, and most of which i believe had to do with the time of the fight and the officiating.....of course hatton is a young gun, but even you must think that had the fight been staged in the states, that it would have been a lot different,,,,nevertheless all fighters and legends get beat one day......

Not just has he beaten and KTFO of better opposition than what Judah has, but, but, but, he has even KTFO of Judah himself.......thus bringing an end to this conversation!