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  • #41
    Originally posted by JmH Reborn View Post
    Cotto clearly belongs in the class of elite fighters over the last 10 years.
    when it came time to cement his rise toward that group, he came up short. he laboured against, and showed himself on a level closer to, guys who were not perceived to be elite. his high point was a close but deserved decision over faded Mosley, and there was nothing emphatic about that. there just isn't enough there to suggest he was ever an elite fighter, though he was a B+ fighter, better than most titlists.

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    • #42
      and Cotto isn't beating Bradley, btw. Bradley is too rounded. that's a guy who is at least borderline elite.

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      • #43
        Originally posted by S. Saddler 1310 View Post
        Cotto was never elite. his ability was conjectured to be elite, but he never cemented himself in that category. he got his body snatched at his seeming peak by Margarito (let's not start in with unsupportable suppositions, please), taken to the wire by Clottey and utterly destroyed by Pacquiao. more recently, Cotto was flattered in his fight with Floyd Mayweather (who fought like was still goofing off in the sparring ring with Omar Henry for long periods), yet still got beaten down ultimately.
        Too many unknowns here:

        1. Margarito is suspect of loading his gloves.
        2. Cotto was pounding on Clottey's head until the head butt. It influenced the rest of the fight.
        3. Pacquiao, yes he took a beating but he had no trainer, and was a mental disaster.

        FMJr. did not "bead down" Cotto. Wake up.

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        • #44
          These rumors may be true. Here is a link to an article by the PR news paper "Primera Hora". Take the "google translate" as a quick fill-gap translation.

          Will there be another coach in the corner when the boxer Miguel Cotto cagüeño make his return to the roped between October and November this year?



          That could be a reality, after the boxer himself indicated in a press conference yesterday that still has not decided whether to continue under the tutelage of Cuban coach quoted.

          Cotto even hinted that lately has not had communication with Diaz, but yielded no clothes on their current relationship.

          "I have no idea (of what makes Diaz). It's in Miami, "Cotto said when questioned. "These are things that we will study, we will discuss and decide whether to continue (with it) or not."

          Diaz debuted in the corner for his fight repossession Cotto against Antonio Margarito in December 2011, but has since dropped the Puerto Rican won by decision against Floyd Mayweather Jr. in the summer of 2012 and then lost his title bout and, in turn, lost undefeated at Madison Square Garden against Austin Trout.

          Regarding his next opponent, Cotto was equally sparing in their expressions and preferred to let time help you determine it, especially now that summer is rumored fights involving names like Mayweather, Trout, Saul "Canelo" Alvarez, Devon Alexander, Tim Bradley and Robert Guerrero among the most notable figures in the 147 and 154.

          "We are expected to follow in the days and the best approach, the best, as we agreed that we come to us, that is what we will choose," he said without mentioning Cotto preferences.
          Source: http://www.primerahora.com/miguelcot...or-786439.html

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          • #45
            Originally posted by Da Boxer View Post
            Too many unknowns here:

            1. Margarito is suspect of loading his gloves.
            i guess you missed,

            "let's not start in with unsupportable suppositions, please"


            Originally posted by Da Boxer View Post
            2. Cotto was pounding on Clottey's head until the head butt. It influenced the rest of the fight.
            3. Pacquiao, yes he took a beating but he had no trainer, and was a mental disaster.

            FMJr. did not "bead down" Cotto. Wake up.
            so, in other words, you've got excuses for pretty much every time Cotto lost? i'm not buying them. Cotto lost badly to Pacquiao because Pacquiao is a different level to Cotto, not because Cotto "had no trainer". Cotto was a mental disaster? oh, let's give him a pass. wait, let's not.

            Mayweather did, indeed, beat down Cotto (who was holding on in the 12th and would've been put away if Mayweather had a smidge more power).

            Cotto was never an elite fighter. the evidence isn't there to support the claim. it was supposed, but he never backed it up. i apologize if that disturbs you.
            Last edited by S. Saddler 1310; 02-09-2013, 07:33 AM.

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            • #46
              Originally posted by S. Saddler 1310 View Post
              when it came time to cement his rise toward that group, he came up short. he laboured against, and showed himself on a level closer to, guys who were not perceived to be elite. his high point was a close but deserved decision over faded Mosley, and there was nothing emphatic about that. there just isn't enough there to suggest he was ever an elite fighter, though he was a B+ fighter, better than most titlists.
              Originally posted by S. Saddler 1310 View Post
              and Cotto isn't beating Bradley, btw. Bradley is too rounded. that's a guy who is at least borderline elite.
              which elite fighter has bradley beaten? what makes him closer to being "elite" than cotto

              cotto has much better opposition compared to bradley...unless u honestly believe bradley beat pacquiao

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              • #47
                Diaz seems a great fit for Cotto from what i can tell....

                The truth is Cotto has had a hard career thats starting to catch up on him and his facial tissue. Plus he has outgrown his best divisions and is now the lil guy in his weight class thus he's less effective. Diaz is a top Trainer and Miguel should stick with him. If he bails my initial instinct is that its a case of an older fighter not wanting to put the work in that a no nonsense task master like the Cuban demands of him...

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by The Surgeon View Post
                  Diaz seems a great fit for Cotto from what i can tell....

                  The truth is Cotto has had a hard career thats starting to catch up on him and his facial tissue. Plus he has outgrown his best divisions and is now the lil guy in his weight class thus he's less effective. Diaz is a top Trainer and Miguel should stick with him. If he bails my initial instinct is that its a case of an older fighter not wanting to put the work in that a no nonsense task master like the Cuban demands of him...
                  Good stuff.

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by -PANDA- View Post
                    which elite fighter has bradley beaten? what makes him closer to being "elite" than cotto

                    cotto has much better opposition compared to bradley...unless u honestly believe bradley beat pacquiao
                    Bradley has beaten every opponent he ever faced with clarity and did a much better job of hanging with Pacquiao than Miguel. the names that stand out on Cotto's record in contrast with Bradley's are the names that gave him grave trouble.

                    Bradley's certainly knocking on the door of the elite and, as a still-prime fighter who hasn't taken a ton of punishment, can yet prove himself to belong in that category. Cotto had his chance to prove he belonged there and didn't make it.

                    certainly, excepting punching power, Bradley's a more complete fighter than Cotto ever was.
                    Last edited by S. Saddler 1310; 02-09-2013, 11:52 AM.

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                    • #50
                      Maybe Pedro Diaz was lacking in some area. The pros are not the amateurs.

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