What do they have in common???

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

Well, amateur experience isnt the end all be all but from my experience in this game I can definitely say it pays to have a decent amount of amateur experience...Hopkins is the exception, not the rule. Pro boxing is different than amateurs, DEFINITELY, but its not just the amateur fights or the accomplishments, but it is the process of going to fight, of training to fight, of sparring top guys, to experience the anticipation of a fight, etc to get ready...If I had a son I wouldnt suggest that he should turn pro with no amateur experience...chances are high he will get wiped out...

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

Well, amateur experience isnt the end all be all but from my experience in this game I can definitely say it pays to have a decent amount of amateur experience...Hopkins is the exception, not the rule. Pro boxing is different than amateurs, DEFINITELY, but its not just the amateur fights or the accomplishments, but it is the process of going to fight, of training to fight, of sparring top guys, to experience the anticipation of a fight, etc to get ready...If I had a son I wouldnt suggest that he should turn pro with no amateur experience...chances are high he will get wiped out...

Not arguing that amateurs and the pros are different but people go around here trying to dismiss one's accomplishments in the amateurs as in they dont mean **** cause its 2 different ball games.


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[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

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Originally Posted by ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY

Well, amateur experience isnt the end all be all but from my experience in this game I can definitely say it pays to have a decent amount of amateur experience...Hopkins is the exception, not the rule. Pro boxing is different than amateurs, DEFINITELY, but its not just the amateur fights or the accomplishments, but it is the process of going to fight, of training to fight, of sparring top guys, to experience the anticipation of a fight, etc to get ready...If I had a son I wouldnt suggest that he should turn pro with no amateur experience...chances are high he will get wiped out...

Not arguing that amateurs and the pros are different but people go around here trying to dismiss one's accomplishments in the amateurs as in they dont mean **** cause its 2 different ball games.


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I know theres been some great amateurs who have flopped in the pros but they do outweigh the ones who been successful in BOTH the amateurs and pros?



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[dmaclv]

Well, amateur experience isnt the end all be all but from my experience in this game I can definitely say it pays to have a decent amount of amateur experience...Hopkins is the exception, not the rule. Pro boxing is different than amateurs, DEFINITELY, but its not just the amateur fights or the accomplishments, but it is the process of going to fight, of training to fight, of sparring top guys, to experience the anticipation of a fight, etc to get ready...If I had a son I wouldnt suggest that he should turn pro with no amateur experience...chances are high he will get wiped out...

Definitely agree. If you look at the heavyweight scene today all these top contenders with no amateur experience get wiped out. Tony Thompson, Seth Mitchell, Kevin Johnson, and then up an coming guys like Joe Hanks/Bryant Jennings are just waiting to be beat. Less and less American fighters today have an amateur background and if they do it's only like Silver/Golden gloves or National Amateur tournaments. Very scarce amount of fighters in Pan American or World Amateur tournaments.

[Ray Corso]

The only time the amatuer career can off set a persons pro career is if they have to alter their style alot making the change! I always think of Howard Davis when this topic comes up. He was hampered abit as a pro because his style was straight up in a traditional USA boxing form. He wasn't a puncher to begin with but this style didn't lend to power anyways! Yet he over came that and became a Worlds champ in the pros too!
I also think of Mike Tyson and how the completely opposite style from Howard was not inclined to get Mike a chance at International stardom. I was the Region One coach and handled Mike at the Nationals (with Teddy Atlas) and there was already talk out there that his style wasn't going to be accepted once we left the States!

So the amatuers have great rewards like preperation for big events, world titles can be at stake! Fighting accomplished competitors is a big deal for any fighter! It certainly can help if your style in the amatuers can easily be adapted into the pro career. I think a strong career in the amatuers is a huge advantage as long as the style your perfecting can be transitioned into the pros! In this sport its very difficult to make major changes in a fighters styling once they've established themselves from ages 12 to 20! Its tuff to erase established habits especially if they've led to success! Ray.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

O YES, I definitely agree...I mean, amateurs mean A LOT...I think a lot of people have the impression amateurs are soft, that it is a thing where they wear these huge gloves and are fully protected by headgear...but NO that is not accurate...headgear protects from cuts and headbutts more than anything...some of the best KO's I have EVER seen have been in the amateurs...

[F!x]

What would you rate as your top 5 knockouts? poll coming.

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

Definitely agree. If you look at the heavyweight scene today all these top contenders with no amateur experience get wiped out. Tony Thompson, Seth Mitchell, Kevin Johnson, and then up an coming guys like Joe Hanks/Bryant Jennings are just waiting to be beat. Less and less American fighters today have an amateur background and if they do it's only like Silver/Golden gloves or National Amateur tournaments. Very scarce amount of fighters in Pan American or World Amateur tournaments.

The only time the amatuer career can off set a persons pro career is if they have to alter their style alot making the change! I always think of Howard Davis when this topic comes up. He was hampered abit as a pro because his style was straight up in a traditional USA boxing form. He wasn't a puncher to begin with but this style didn't lend to power anyways! Yet he over came that and became a Worlds champ in the pros too!
I also think of Mike Tyson and how the completely opposite style from Howard was not inclined to get Mike a chance at International stardom. I was the Region One coach and handled Mike at the Nationals (with Teddy Atlas) and there was already talk out there that his style wasn't going to be accepted once we left the States!

So the amatuers have great rewards like preperation for big events, world titles can be at stake! Fighting accomplished competitors is a big deal for any fighter! It certainly can help if your style in the amatuers can easily be adapted into the pro career. I think a strong career in the amatuers is a huge advantage as long as the style your perfecting can be transitioned into the pros! In this sport its very difficult to make major changes in a fighters styling once they've established themselves from ages 12 to 20! Its tuff to erase established habits especially if they've led to success! Ray.

O YES, I definitely agree...I mean, amateurs mean A LOT...I think a lot of people have the impression amateurs are soft, that it is a thing where they wear these huge gloves and are fully protected by headgear...but NO that is not accurate...headgear protects from cuts and headbutts more than anything...some of the best KO's I have EVER seen have been in the amateurs...

Very good posts...

[SN!PER]

Incredible that Roy Jones Jr. and Antonio Tarver fought eachother at 13 years of age and would fight again in one of the most memorable fights of all time 20 years later.