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Originally posted by Tonyu View PostThe real truth is Froch is not really been 100% truthful here - what is really eating Froch is Joe Calzaghe who he has called out many times before - he can never really better Calzaghe as Joe retired undefeated and inflicted Kesslers first loss onto him and Froch can never do that now, as an injured Kessler inflicted Carl's first loss and even if he wins this time around he can't change that but I have a sneaky feeling Carl will have a third loss on his record come May 25th, and sorry to change the subject but Joe would of found a way to beat Ward if they had face each other so Carl will always bee in Joe's shadow in the Hostory Books and he can do nothing about that and that's what's really eating at Carl.
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Originally posted by Tonyu View PostSorry I can't agree with that as Joe beat the then best pound for pound fighter in Lacey and say what you like Lacey was considered by the whole boxing world at that time as the best that all changed when Joe beat him and Lacey was never the same fighter again - another point he beat Kessler which Froch has lost to Joe then went on to win a world title at 2 weight divisions he also beat who Hopkins in the USA and we have all seen what Hokins has achieved since losing to Joe becoming a world champion so don't give me that was an old Hopkins as that don't wash, and as a rookie Joe gave us a classic agianst Eubank and in my Books one of the best fights I ever enjoyed, Froch's record can never reflect that no matter what he does
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Originally posted by PunchyPotorff View PostDon't bet the farm on that concept
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Originally posted by Tonyu View PostSorry I can't agree with that as Joe beat the then best pound for pound fighter in Lacey and say what you like Lacey was considered by the whole boxing world at that time as the best that all changed when Joe beat him and Lacey was never the same fighter again - another point he beat Kessler which Froch has lost to Joe then went on to win a world title at 2 weight divisions he also beat who Hopkins in the USA and we have all seen what Hokins has achieved since losing to Joe becoming a world champion so don't give me that was an old Hopkins as that don't wash, and as a rookie Joe gave us a classic agianst Eubank and in my Books one of the best fights I ever enjoyed, Froch's record can never reflect that no matter what he does
I don't buy the argument that Lacy was a different fighter. He was just exposed. He had no fight in him at all during the fight, it wasn't as if Lacy was gradually wore down. There was no sign of any elite skill after this fight either, not to mention Lacy's resume pre-Calzaghe wasn't great too.
Your bottom sentence truly exposes the "brain" behind your argument - "no matter what he does" ... thats called bias my friend.
How can you not accept, that Froch has beaten much better fighters? Because simply put, he has. His resume totally trumps Calzaghes, belts or otherwise. The 168 division is a hell of a lot stronger now than it was in Calzaghes day.
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Although Froch nicely ackowledges he has lost twice to Ward and Kessler. He actually thinks he beat kessler though doesnt he?
He thinks he was robbed against kessler but is gentlemanly not to mention it too much.
But you sometimes forget how much losing effects boxers. Most fans acknowledge that most fighters will lose at some point if they fight the best.Last edited by hugh grant; 02-05-2013, 07:25 AM.
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given the fact that Kessler hasn't fought a top opponent in three years since fighting you, Carl, i'd say you took much more from him. and you're going to take it all on May 25th.
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Originally posted by BafanaBafana View PostCalzaghe dominated Mikkel Kessler, Froch lost against a lesser version of Kessler. Calzaghe became the lineal champion at 168 where he unified the RING, WBA, WBC and WBO belts (also held the IBF belt at one point) and became the lineal champ at 175 by beating Hopkins. Calzaghe's achievements can be 'down-played' for it being a weak era at 168 & 175, but his achievements are still impressive. Froch has no legacy, all he has ever been is a decent contender at 168.
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Originally posted by techliam View PostHopkins fight was close. I scored it for Hopkins personally, no complaints about a Calzaghe win. Same for Kessler-Froch. Illogical argument. You can't give credit to Calzaghe, and not to Froch.
I don't buy the argument that Lacy was a different fighter. He was just exposed. He had no fight in him at all during the fight, it wasn't as if Lacy was gradually wore down. There was no sign of any elite skill after this fight either, not to mention Lacy's resume pre-Calzaghe wasn't great too.
Your bottom sentence truly exposes the "brain" behind your argument - "no matter what he does" ... thats called bias my friend.
How can you not accept, that Froch has beaten much better fighters? Because simply put, he has. His resume totally trumps Calzaghes, belts or otherwise. The 168 division is a hell of a lot stronger now than it was in Calzaghes day.
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