Originally posted by bojangles1987
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Is Andre Ward comparible to Pre-Pacquiao Tim Bradley?
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Originally posted by Spiegelo View PostI was trying to educate you on boxing, something I've given up on. You can use that dictionary, but you just don't learn....
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Originally posted by bojangles1987 View PostBecause it was a robbery. But again, the only people who have handled Pacquiao since his losses earlier in his career are other ATG fighters. Its not as simple as "counter-punching with movement," or Pacquiao would have a few more losses. Bradley isn't that, but he still showed skill that most people still don't think he has, even though they picked Pacquiao to slaughter him early.
No, Bradley doesn't do those things remarkably, but he does them well. He does just about everything well, but nothing remarkably. That's the difference between him and Ward, who does a few things remarkably. But it doesn't mean a fighter isn't well rounded, just because they aren't as good as a better fighter that is well rounded. That's all I'm debating with you about, is that Bradley is a well rounded fighter, who does almost everything well. I'm not arguing that he beat Pacquiao or is as good as Ward, just that.
Thank you for presenting your input in a respectful manner. However, I cannot agree with Bradley being this "well-rounded" fighter that you think him to be. All I can see is pressure backed up with good conditioning.
With our personal viewpoints aside, Bradley sums up his pressure style with the statement: "WHEN I ACTUALLY TURNED PROFESSIONAL, THAT'S WHEN I BECAME THE HUNTER...GOING TO THE GUY AS OPPOSE TO BACKING UP
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Originally posted by bojangles1987 View PostBecause it was a robbery. But again, the only people who have handled Pacquiao since his losses earlier in his career are other ATG fighters. Its not as simple as "counter-punching with movement," or Pacquiao would have a few more losses. Bradley isn't that, but he still showed skill that most people still don't think he has, even though they picked Pacquiao to slaughter him early.
No, Bradley doesn't do those things remarkably, but he does them well. He does just about everything well, but nothing remarkably. That's the difference between him and Ward, who does a few things remarkably. But it doesn't mean a fighter isn't well rounded, just because they aren't as good as a better fighter that is well rounded. That's all I'm debating with you about, is that Bradley is a well rounded fighter, who does almost everything well. I'm not arguing that he beat Pacquiao or is as good as Ward, just that.
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Originally posted by The Evil 1-2 View PostYou imply Bradley HAS POWER because he has made plenty of fighters hit the canvas. This is problematic. First, a KD doesn't necessarily mean the fighter has genuine power. The KD could have resulted from a well-placed punch in an exchange or due to poor defense by the fighter that got knocked down.
You imply that Bradley has GREAT DEFENSE because he has made fighters MISS A TON. What am I reading here? Let's look at his most recent performance against Pacquiao considering that a fighter's last fight is presumably the best way to gauge the development of his current skills. Simply put, he got hit PLENTY of times in that fight, which is why many in the Boxing world called the decision in Bradley's favor a robbery. But this doesn't matter to you because you think Bradley won based on "competent" judging, LOL.
My assessment of Bradley's style has no negative effect on his ranking. With the exception of the gift decision against Pac, he has earned his spot. You're committing a Strawman fallacy by insinuating that I don't think Bradley is deserving of his high-ranking status. Far from it; I'm simply saying that he has gotten to this point PRIMARILY ON A PRESSURE STYLE.
Bradley isn't the type of fighter to make great in-fight adjustments like Mayweather. If that were the case, he would have shown such an ability in the Pac fight. The Witter bout was a good example of his forward-pressure. The Alexander fight was a good example of his pressure coupled with the fact that Alexander's offensive attack in that fight was WAY TOO PREDICTABLE. Sure, he tried to implement a counter-punching style against Pac, but as I stated to the another poster, THIS WAS A FAILURE AND HE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN AN OFFICIAL LOSS BECAUSE OF IT. He doesn't have the necessary skills/tools to effectively implement such a style against the elite of the elite.
At the end of the day we can have different views on this it's fine..But even pros will attest that Bradley is a well round fighter which is the biggest reason he has made it this far in this sport....
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Andre entered a tournament and faced the best in his division. Pacquiao would never enter such tour and has been cherrypicking all his opponents.. except Marquez WHO knocking him out.
Andre doesn't get the hype but the hard core fans know He is much better than super manny.
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his feet were broken i know people like to say because he was running and want to down play injuries but to use that fight as a measuring stick for defense or anything for that matter really is not fare honestly
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Originally posted by Earl Hickey View PostI know right.
It's getting ridiculous now, if you say something that could possibly be construed as negative about Ward, they flood in raging.
I've not anywhere said Bradley is better, or even as good as Ward, but it hasn't gone down well.
And Bradley is a top 10 p4p guy ffs
Who are we allowed to discuss Ward in the same breath as now?
Ali?
Sugar Ray?
God?
Don't you?
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