Robert Guerrero...The next Mexican-American Star?

[Cali boxer]

If there's good drama on May 4th, like Guerrero winning 4 or 5 rounds I think it'll have his stock rise dramatically. If he was to come out with the win It'll be bigger than that Pacquiao KO. Pulling for Ghost

[tredh]

That high huh? I give him 8%, and that's being generous

8% is too generous.

Thank you I don't know where people are getting this Guerrero has a good to great chance at beating PBF. We all know anything can happen but being realistic if things stay status quo Guerrero loses badly and its not close.

[Queen_Leia]

Thank you I don't know where people are getting this Guerrero has a good to great chance at beating PBF. We all know anything can happen but being realistic if things stay status quo Guerrero loses badly and its not close.

The general consensus (not necessarily on here, but other places i've seen) has always been that you need to be a big, strong pressure fighter with a great chin and high punch output to beat Money, but i have always disagreed with that.

I've always felt that you need a variety of gameplans to beat Money and you need the ability to shift tactics and strategy mid-round. You need to be versatile and more than adequate in following at least 3 different strategy. Money is so brilliant at adjustingg that he can do it on his own, mid-round and early on in the fight. He rarely gets caught with the same shot twice and he can change his own offense in the very rare occasions it doesn't work (couldn't find the target often against Cotto so he brings the lead uppercut into play, which i'd rarely, if ever seen from him).

The Ghost DOES have this versatility. He can be a slick, relatively elusive southpaw who fights predominantly from the outside, and he showed his infighting ability against a bigger man in Andre Berto. He basically out-dogged Berto in that fight and wanted it more, but could he do this against Money? Not imo, no, although he would have to do it at times in the fight. He's also showed (in i think it was The Great fight) that he can fight from strange angles at mid-long distance and throw LOTS of punches per round. Haven't seen that fight for a while but i'm pretty sure he was throwing body shots, jabs, straight lefts, 4, 5, 6 punch combinations, the lot. I do remember being impressed with his offensive arsenal in that fight and i picked him to beat Maidana in their scheduled bout.

What i'm saying is that the Ghost DOES have the versatility that i believe to be required in order to beat Money. You don't just beat him with one gameplan because, whatever it is, he WILL make the adjustments required to neutralize your gameplan. Is the Ghost good enough at the variety of gameplans i mention to beat Money? No, not a chance.

FWIW, i respect your opinion greatly on here and i wouldn't follow too dissimilar a strategy to the one you laid out.

[FkDaHtrs]

who ever beats floyd will automatically be the next star, but you will have to beat floyd twice cause bet he coming for that rematch.

Agreed. I think this will be more of a competitive fight than most people believe.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

That high huh? I give him 8%, and that's being generous

that's only because there's a chance floyd gets old overnight

[tredh]

The general consensus (not necessarily on here, but other places i've seen) has always been that you need to be a big, strong pressure fighter with a great chin and high punch output to beat Money, but i have always disagreed with that.

I've always felt that you need a variety of gameplans to beat Money and you need the ability to shift tactics and strategy mid-round. You need to be versatile and more than adequate in following at least 3 different strategy. Money is so brilliant at adjustingg that he can do it on his own, mid-round and early on in the fight. He rarely gets caught with the same shot twice and he can change his own offense in the very rare occasions it doesn't work (couldn't find the target often against Cotto so he brings the lead uppercut into play, which i'd rarely, if ever seen from him).

The Ghost DOES have this versatility. He can be a slick, relatively elusive southpaw who fights predominantly from the outside, and he showed his infighting ability against a bigger man in Andre Berto. He basically out-dogged Berto in that fight and wanted it more, but could he do this against Money? Not imo, no, although he would have to do it at times in the fight. He's also showed (in i think it was The Great fight) that he can fight from strange angles at mid-long distance and throw LOTS of punches per round. Haven't seen that fight for a while but i'm pretty sure he was throwing body shots, jabs, straight lefts, 4, 5, 6 punch combinations, the lot. I do remember being impressed with his offensive arsenal in that fight and i picked him to beat Maidana in their scheduled bout.

What i'm saying is that the Ghost DOES have the versatility that i believe to be required in order to beat Money. You don't just beat him with one gameplan because, whatever it is, he WILL make the adjustments required to neutralize your gameplan. Is the Ghost good enough at the variety of gameplans i mention to beat Money? No, not a chance.

FWIW, i respect your opinion greatly on here and i wouldn't follow too dissimilar a strategy to the one you laid out.

Good post and I have always thought Guerrero was a good fighter. But we talking about him fighting the best and what Guerrero brings to the table is just not good enough. I love what he did in the Berto fight but I don't think highly of Berto and nothing Berto has ever done in a boxing ring is on the level of PBF. So I would never look at what Guerrero accomplished in that fight and compare it to what he might be able to do in a fight with PBF. That is basically saying that PBF and Berto are similar and we all know that just isn't true.

Guerrero is a good fighter but he brings nothing to the table that gives PBF problems. As a PBF fan I don't like the fight cause I think it does nothing for PBF competition wise IMO.

Someone please list the advantages that Guerrero has over PBF.

Out of all that you named about what Guerrero could do its true but what people still fail to realize is that PBF is just as athletic or even more than most fighters. But his ring IQ is off the charts and that is where he beats his opponents the most. B-Hop is probably the only fighter in boxing right now that could match PBF's ring IQ.

[Augustane]

if he beats floyd, hes gonna be just like bradley. noone would give a flying fck.


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I think that all depends on how he achieves that victory.

[Bushbaby]

Good post and I have always thought Guerrero was a good fighter. But we talking about him fighting the best and what Guerrero brings to the table is just not good enough. I love what he did in the Berto fight but I don't think highly of Berto and nothing Berto has ever done in a boxing ring is on the level of PBF. So I would never look at what Guerrero accomplished in that fight and compare it to what he might be able to do in a fight with PBF. That is basically saying that PBF and Berto are similar and we all know that just isn't true.

Guerrero is a good fighter but he brings nothing to the table that gives PBF problems. As a PBF fan I don't like the fight cause I think it does nothing for PBF competition wise IMO.

Someone please list the advantages that Guerrero has over PBF.

Out of all that you named about what Guerrero could do its true but what people still fail to realize is that PBF is just as athletic or even more than most fighters. But his ring IQ is off the charts and that is where he beats his opponents the most. B-Hop is probably the only fighter in boxing right now that could match PBF's ring IQ.

I agree with most of what you & Queen Lia said. But there is 1 thing in particular that Floyd has & most people ignore. (Pacman had it too). Stamina, both have it in droves, which is why the average fighter cannot or couldn't keep up. Jab Judah (known as a 4 round fighter), was giving Floyd the business. But then he got tired, (as usual). But people said it was Floyd adapting. (Personally I think Floyd just got warmed up).

Cotto looked great till round 9, (usually around the time he gets tired,lol)!! If you remember correctly, Cotto had 1 of the biggest round of any Floyd opponent in the 8th round. I believe to beat Floyd, it doesn't take skill, cause lets face it, (where I bolded you), no 1 outside of B-Hop and Andre Ward, (whom you didn't mention), especially for his age has Floyd's ring IQ.

To beat Floyd, you're gonna have to throw caution to the wind, not get discouraged, understand you're gonna get hit, train like there's no tomorrow & come in there & throw 100+ punches every round. Hit his shoulders, hips & anywhere where he lets you & make sure you train to fight 15 rounds & do just that. Cause like you said, he's to smart to start thinking in there, it can't be a fighter easily discouraged. That's why I will forever believe a fighter like the Punisher was Floyd's ******nite.

[Luilun]

With the rumors swirling that Robert Guerrero will be standing across the ring against Floyd Mayweather on May 4th, I thought to myself, The Ghost has all the tools to beat "Money". If he comes out victorious, there is no doubt he's the next Mexican-American star. His resume shows he's one of the best fighters out there. Agree or disagree?

Agree he will beat Mayweather and the Floydiots will come up with the rotator cuff tear again.

[Queen_Leia]

I agree with most of what you & Queen Lia said. But there is 1 thing in particular that Floyd has & most people ignore. (Pacman had it too). Stamina, both have it in droves, which is why the average fighter cannot or couldn't keep up. Jab Judah (known as a 4 round fighter), was giving Floyd the business. But then he got tired, (as usual). But people said it was Floyd adapting. (Personally I think Floyd just got warmed up).

Cotto looked great till round 9, (usually around the time he gets tired,lol)!! If you remember correctly, Cotto had 1 of the biggest round of any Floyd opponent in the 8th round. I believe to beat Floyd, it doesn't take skill, cause lets face it, (where I bolded you), no 1 outside of B-Hop and Andre Ward, (whom you didn't mention), especially for his age has Floyd's ring IQ.

To beat Floyd, you're gonna have to throw caution to the wind, not get discouraged, understand you're gonna get hit, train like there's no tomorrow & come in there & throw 100+ punches every round. Hit his shoulders, hips & anywhere where he lets you & make sure you train to fight 15 rounds & do just that. Cause like you said, he's to smart to start thinking in there, it can't be a fighter easily discouraged. That's why I will forever believe a fighter like the Punisher was Floyd's ******nite.

First of all for any fighter to beat Money they're going to have too be versatile and be able to adapt and mix up styles during the fight. If the Ghost makes the mistake of trying to stay in close-range and inside fight with Money he'll get beaten up and possibly stopped late on.

I would have the Ghost first establish his jab on Money, as difficult as it may be it can be done. High hands and using plenty of footwork and feints to keep Money guessing, I would advise the Ghost throws quick flurries and gets out of range, as the rounds go on the Ghost couldn't keep this up as Money would adapt to it, the key here is to notice Moneys adaptations without giving it away, this is where the feints would come in, throw the flurries and step out and start again, but feint the next time around and watch Moneys movements.

Then Money will try walk the Ghost down at some point in this fight, by walking forward with his hands held high and try get inside, when Money adopts this approach I would advise the Ghost to throw a jab, lead hook, straight left to the body and step out. Whilst throwing this combination it is important that the Ghost A) keeps his hands high and B) moves his head with his shots, this will limit the chance of Money landing a clean counter.

The main plan for me would be to try force Money back using the Ghosts size and footwork, when Money is on the ropes throw a bundle of punches mainly aimed at Money's body, load up on the hooks and straights and jab out.

When Money tries to force the attack the Ghost should step out of range immediately, as letting Money work in will be bad news as Money would already know what punches and movements he will want to throw.

The Ghost isn't disciplined enough to stick to a gameplan and lacks concentration as seen in his previous fights, Money will box his way to a UD 117-111 and beat up The Ghost in the process.