In Defense of Barthelemy-Usmanee Scoring

[daggum]

unless you dominate all 12 rounds and score multiple knockdowns it's not a robbery! ALL OR NOTHING!

[Russian Crushin]

I did a separate thread were I asked for people's scorecards. I posted mine with my thoughts for every round. My score was 114-113 for Usmanee.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=580710&highlight=usmanee+barthelemy

This fight got a lot of attention. I heard the wails of "robbery" before I even got to see it. When I watched for myself, I came to the conclusion that the wrong hand was raised in victory, but that it wasn't really a robbery. It was a bad decision made to look offensive by the lopsided judges' scores. I'm in the minority on this, but I'm far from alone.

I'm not trying to justify anything. Barthelemy should've lost and he probably won't have a great career, but it's an interesting topic that I think deserves further consideration. Sometimes we believe one thing, then reconsider and believe something else. That happens in boxing as well as in life. And, as in life, closing your mind to others' thoughts and opinions limits your own growth and judgement.

Usmanee clearly won 8 rounds, you talk bout bad score cards yet you have it 114-113? It was as clear as robberies come. Not only did the wrong guy win after clearly losing but he also received a wide decision.

I get it, you're cuban and so is Barth so lets not get carried away with things "clouding our growth and judgement", especially when you have them winning an equal amount of rounds

[CubanGuyNYC]

Usmanee clearly won 8 rounds, you talk bout bad score cards yet you have it 114-113? It was as clear as robberies come. Not only did the wrong guy win after clearly losing but he also received a wide decision.

I get it, you're cuban and so is Barth so lets not get carried away with things "clouding our growth and judgement", especially when you have them winning an equal amount of rounds

Oh, you "get it?" Somehow I doubt that.

Usmanee clearly won five rounds, in my view. Barthelemy won three. There were four close rounds. Those were open to interpretation in my book.

Campbell doesn't sound like a Cuban name to me. He had it a draw.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Everything is left to interpretation, I can see where people thought it was closer than a robbery.

I just think when you see the fight, it was a bad decision. Usmanee just took over the middle rounds, and the scoring was absurd.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Everything is left to interpretation, I can see where people thought it was closer than a robbery.

I just think when you see the fight, it was a bad decision. Usmanee just took over the middle rounds, and the scoring was absurd.

The chosen winner made it a bad decision; the atrocious scores made it (appear to be) a robbery.

I thought it was a close fight, much closer than Teddy inclined many people to believe. Usmanee worked his ass off the whole fight. He threw punches non-stop, but many caught gloves and elbows. Barthelemy landed the clearer, harder blows; but when he missed, he missed bad.

[RA-Box]

The chosen winner made it a bad decision; the atrocious scores made it (appear to be) a robbery.

I thought it was a close fight, much closer than Teddy inclined many people to believe. Usmanee worked his ass off the whole fight. He threw punches non-stop, but many caught gloves and elbows. Barthelemy landed the clearer, harder blows; but when he missed, he missed bad.

Couldn't agree with you more.
Usmanee won a close fight on activity. Atlas overreacted.

[Russian Crushin]

Oh, you "get it?" Somehow I doubt that.

Usmanee clearly won five rounds, in my view. Barthelemy won three. There were four close rounds. Those were open to interpretation in my book.

Campbell doesn't sound like a Cuban name to me. He had it a draw.

All rounds are interpretations, thats how Barth won, thats how Paulie beat Cano, thats how Devon/Judah beat Lucas.

The fight had very clear rounds, Barth won the first 3, and the 10th or 11th, i dont remember. All the other rounds were clear Usmanee rounds including a 10-8 12th. Now if you're looking to give Barth the fight, you're going to call a lot of rounds gray and then obviously give almost all of them to the man you want to win

I dont how who cambell is and dont care, he's trying to justify a robbery with the usual "gray rounds" method

[CubanGuyNYC]

All rounds are interpretations, thats how Barth won, thats how Paulie beat Cano, thats how Devon/Judah beat Lucas.

The fight had very clear rounds, Barth won the first 3, and the 10th or 11th, i dont remember. All the other rounds were clear Usmanee rounds including a 10-8 12th. Now if you're looking to give Barth the fight, you're going to call a lot of rounds gray and then obviously give almost all of them to the man you want to win

I dont how who cambell is and dont care, he's trying to justify a robbery with the usual "gray rounds" method

Ironically enough, many people (including Teddy) gave round three to Usmanee. I thought it was a close round, but gave it to Barthelemy. It wasn't clear at all, as Arash started to figure Rances out in that round. There were other close rounds. And, I, too, scored the twelfth 10-8 for Usmanee.

Brian Campbell is a regular contributor to ESPN.com, a boxing journalist. That doesn't make him the final say, of course, but his opinion is valid. He's certainly explained his position very well. The guy's not an apologist for those judges.

[Russian Crushin]

Ironically enough, many people (including Teddy) gave round three to Usmanee. I thought it was a close round, but gave it to Barthelemy. It wasn't clear at all, as Arash started to figure Rances out in that round. There were other close rounds. And, I, too, scored the twelfth 10-8 for Usmanee.

Brian Campbell is a regular contributor to ESPN.com, a boxing journalist. That doesn't make him the final say, of course, but his opinion is valid. He's certainly explained his position very well. The guy's not an apologist for those judges.

Close in the way Usmanee that didnt dominate them as much as the other rounds but yet clearly won them.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Close in the way Usmanee that didnt dominate them as much as the other rounds but yet clearly won them.

Yyyy...no.