Left field, but can somone convince me that Rocky Marciano wasn't a product of timing

[Killa Killa]

I'm no boxing expert and I know many of you think you are...

But....I haven't seen enough of him besides a few videos on youtube....

i know he beat the brown bomber late in his career as well as some other decent fighters

but as an interested party, can someone convinc me thatheis no differentthan the Klitschko Bros in terms of dominating an era wherethe truly elite were out of their prime?

thats not saying much really because i think they would beat this undersized brawler...

i think he would b too small....

i know that computer simulator hadhim beating Ali, but i doubt that would happen...

again, i dont know much about him but for those that do....ishe that damn good or would he have lost in the 60s 70s 80s or 90s era?

i know he was undefeated and im not pushing that aside....just curious as to what othrs think....

[happyman]

yup he was really as good as they say he was. he's not a product of timing at all.

[boxing is alive]

He would be great in any era....but I highly doubt he would be undefeated. Even with modern weight training and nutrition, he would still be very undersized against guys let's say 70's and on.

[PAC-BOY]

Rocky was a baaad dude! The End!

[4Corners]

He was a product of timing in this way.....

He came along when Louis, Charles, and Walcott were getting older......and before Patterson and Liston became top fighters.

He's still great though, he loses a lot of H2H fights though for sure. He still has wins over Walcott, Charles, and Moore as well as an older Joe Louis. Had he seen around 5-10 years later, Liston would have beaten him. He would have had a good chance to KO Patterson though, but Floyd P was much more skilled for sure.

[edgarg]

I'm no boxing expert and I know many of you think you are...

But....I haven't seen enough of him besides a few videos on youtube....

i know he beat the brown bomber late in his career as well as some other decent fighters

but as an interested party, can someone convinc me thatheis no differentthan the Klitschko Bros in terms of dominating an era wherethe truly elite were out of their prime?

thats not saying much really because i think they would beat this undersized brawler...

i think he would b too small....

i know that computer simulator hadhim beating Ali, but i doubt that would happen...

again, i dont know much about him but for those that do....ishe that damn good or would he have lost in the 60s 70s 80s or 90s era?

i know he was undefeated and im not pushing that aside....just curious as to what othrs think....

He didn't beat any decent fighter when he was "decent". They were all punched out old-timers, one or two came from retirement, they had slid a lot, down to Marcino's level, so that they were entertaining fights. These guys at their peak would have torn Marciano to shreds. He was slow, and as good as he was capable of being, with a heavy punch.

Another thing. I made a deep study a few years ago of Marciano's opponents, who THEY had fought, and at what period of their careers, also who their opponents had fought etc. It was a real revelation to me. THey had fought mostly set-ups, or opponents who had had a tough 100 fights or more (which really made THEM set-ups too) Hypothetically, imagine fighting a guy with an unbeaten record, or maybe 1 loss, and this guy's opponents have a combined total record of, say 75 wins and 250 losses. I just made up these figures, but that is the sort of situation I found.

And, lest we forget....his manager was .....connected. The afficionados hotly deny that Marciano was involved, but it's well known that his manager was. In fact, when Marciano died in that small plane crash, he had been travelling around with the son of Louis Fratto, the Don of one of the big Chicago Mafia mobs, who was also killed in the crash. It was reported a few years ago that the plane actually belonged to Farrell(Fratto) although for many years it was regarded as having been Marciano's plane. Marciano didn't own a plane,

A sepaate little bit of history........ He was a well-known miser. Unfortunately for his widow, the reported $4 million (not counting winnings betting on himself) was never found. Marciano had the habit of rolling up bills in glass jars and burying them on his land. Every so-often, treasure hunters look for it. Perhaps the Mafia took it over. We'll never know.

He always pointed to what happened to Joe Louis, and said that he was making sure never be in money bind where he'd have to make a comeback. it was an interesting boxing period even if not a good one.

[Killa Killa]

He was a product of timing in this way.....

He came along when Louis, Charles, and Walcott were getting older......and before Patterson and Liston became top fighters.

He's still great though, he loses a lot of H2H fights though for sure. He still has wins over Walcott, Charles, and Moore as well as an older Joe Louis. Had he seen around 5-10 years later, Liston would have beaten him. He would have had a good chance to KO Patterson though, but Floyd P was much more skilled for sure.

cool. i can dig that....

it would have been interesting to see..

i just think a guy barly coming in at 200 wouldnt do too well when he faced some of the HW that came later....

[AztecWanker]

He was a bum, bro. His undefeated record is smoke and mirrors. This guy fought old ass men and part-time bricklayers. He also fought in an era when the mob ran Boxing.

[Killa Killa]

He didn't beat any decent fighter when he was "decent". They were all punched out old-timers, one or two came from retirement, they had slid a lot, down to Marcino's level, so that they were entertaining fights. These guys at their peak would have torn Marciano to shreds. He was slow, and as good as he was capable of being, with a heavy punch.

Another thing. I made a deep study a few years ago of Marciano's opponents, who THEY had fought, and at what period of their careers, also who their opponents had fought etc. It was a real revelation to me. THey had fought mostly set-ups, or opponents who had had a tough 100 fights or more (which really made THEM set-ups too) Hypothetically, imagine fighting a guy with an unbeaten record, or maybe 1 loss, and this guy's opponents have a combined total record of, say 75 wins and 250 losses. I just made up these figures, but that is the sort of situation I found.

And, lest we forget....his manager was .....connected. The afficionados hotly deny that Marciano was involved, but it's well known that his manager was. In fact, when Marciano died in that small plane crash, he had been travelling around with the son of Louis Fratto, the Don of one of the big Chicago Mafia mobs, who was also killed in the crash. It was reported a few years ago that the plane actually belonged to Farrell(Fratto) although for many years it was regarded as having been Marciano's plane. Marciano didn't own a plane,

A sepaate little bit of history........ He was a well-known miser. Unfortunately for his widow, the reported $4 million (not counting winnings betting on himself) was never found. Marciano had the habit of rolling up bills in glass jars and burying them on his land. Every so-often, treasure hunters look for it. Perhaps the Mafia took it over. We'll never know.

He always pointed to what happened to Joe Louis, and said that he was making sure never be in money bind where he'd have to make a comeback. it was an interesting boxing period even if not a good one.

interesting....ididntnow all of this...good stuff....

[Earl-Hickey]

but as an interested party, can someone convinc me thatheis no differentthan the Klitschko Bros in terms of dominating an era wherethe truly elite were out of their prime?

All white champions are flukes, didn't you know that?