Comments Thread For: Pacquiao Rips Medical Claims: Eyes Two Fights

[ADP02]

Oh really? Is that why Roach and Manny kept saying that Mayweather is not the commission? How about all of the excuses about not wanting blood taken too close to the fight? How about Roach wanting Mosley to get tested but not Pacquiao? How about when Roach asked for random testing for JMM in the 3rd fight and when he agreed only if Pacquiao did, what happened? The only thing Manny had was excuses. I don't think Pacquiao was on anything. I think the reason why they never accepted or made any random blood test demands is because Arum didn't want to spend the money to do it. I thought and still think Floyd should have taken the fight without the test and see what other excuses they would have had to not make the fight. Don't know why Mayweather was so worried if Manny was on anything because he has always been a sucker for a counter punch. Anyway, JMM is the man who beat the man so forget Mayweather. Don't understand why Manny's fans keep talking about Floyd.

Roach and Manny went beyond what they were required to do but they didn't want to agree with Floyd's cutoff dates. So that is why they were frustrated and said what they said. They never went back on their word like Floyd did and say "commission rules or no fight". Am I making a true statement or do you know something that I don't? If you agree then you need to move on from that statement because Manny always went further than what was required and later agreed FULLY!!!

Roach said that it would be hypocritical to have testing as per Floyd's rules when they just refused. And they never had Mosley tested and more importantly, they fought Mosley without testing while Floyd didn't. Am I correct in this statement?

For Marquez 3rd and 4th fight, Roach's comments came way after the contracts were signed and they were well into their training. No point to get testing done as it would mean NOTHING!!! Roach new it, everyone knew it! Still, Manny still went ahead and fought Marquez while Floyd didn't do the same to get the fight on with Manny. Am I correct in this statement?

[Rk16]

There is a reason they were booking Pacquiao's fights in a way that before he got past one guy the next was already lined up

[ADP02]

There is a reason they were booking Pacquiao's fights in a way that before he got past one guy the next was already lined up

Options were always there to fight Floyd too. In just about every fight, they said Floyd is our number one option .... they even had deadlines and stuff to get Floyd to come back from his vacations but Floyd wanted no part of negotiations nor to fight Manny and just wanted to REST!!!

Again, did Floyd state on video that he was on a long vacation and wanted no part of Manny? YES!!!

When Floyd came back from his vacation, did he contact Manny? NO!!!

Did his trainer Roger say that Floyd needed to get a few fights under his belt before facing Manny? YES!!!

Did Floyd shock us with new roadblocks after hearing that Manny agreed to testing? YES!!!

[GRUSTLER]

Like I said, at that point, I wasn't accusing Floyd nor Manny but was su****ious. What followed during the last 3 years convinced me that Floyd never wanted the fight.

Did Floyd say he was going on vacation and was not going to fight Manny? Yes
Did Floyd say "All Manny has to do it take the test and we have a fight"? Yes but then came other roadblocks!
Did Floyd's father and uncle say that they didn't want to see their Floyd fight Manny? Yes
Did Floyd say that he couldn't understand how Manny was walking thru them bigger fighters? Yes
Did Floyd come up with new roadblocks after Manny Agreed? Yes


Has Manny been trying more and more to get the fight on by agreeing to Floyd's demands while Floyd has been adding new demands? Yes

Fact is and still remains that Manny walked away from negotiations PERIOD. There should have never been any 2nd, 3rd or 4th negotiation.

[Rk16]

Manny never agreed to testing,on telly yes,in negotiations no!!!
Did Roach say they would fight in April and couldn't wait for Floyd to be ready after jail?
When Floyd pushed the date back,did they say Manny wont be ready til June?
Didn't Arum say they needed an outdoor stadium?
Did Arum refuse to take calls from GB and Ellerbe?
Did Floyd agree to fight Pacquiao in 2010?
Did Pacquiao refuse to fight Floyd in 2010 and 2012?

[turnedup]

Both Floyd and Manny fans are reaching levels of pathetic..let it gooooo. They have,seriously. 3 years of this shhhh was enough and the fact remains 90% of each guys fan base today was created during the marketing of the ODH fight before that 9 out of 10 of ya'll weren't online fandoming for them like you are now. Love both fighters to death but being a fan does not make you a legit fan of boxing, sorry to break that to you. To the Floyd fans talking about Plankiao..remember you are inviting Karma and ole boy is no spring chicken either. Pacquaio fans hold you head, he'll be ok and he'll be back. Life goes on, so can we please let the feuding over these two rich as fkkk men go once and for all? ppl are starting to come off like jilted ex-girlfriends over boxers now.

[samouraï]

Please acknowledge that you are wrong. Thank you.

Apparently you don't know how to read. I said Pacquiao would trouble Mayweather more than Marquez would trouble Mayweather. Freddie Roach saying Pacquiao would also have greater trouble with Mayweather than he does with Marquez doesn't change my point whatsoever.

Apparently you're a boxing fan that still doesn't understand the concept of styles make fights.

[richardt]

Fact is and still remains that Manny walked away from negotiations PERIOD.

No he didn't. He said he would comply to the commission testing, it was Floyd who created the impass. JMM will always be held in higher regard than those two because he fought Floyd and he fough Pac when neither would fight each other. Mayweather and Pac's legacy will be tarnished by not fighting each other but no one will ever accuse JMM of that.

[richardt]

Manny never agreed to testing,on telly yes,in negotiations no!!!?

Sorry, Floyd does not agree with you because it is public knowledge that Pac accepted WADA/USADA testing and that is why Floyd called Pac because testing was agreed to, except the money and Floyd would NOT have offered Pac 45/55 no PPV if Pac had not agreed to the tests.

[marvin douglas]

Apparently you don't know how to read. I said Pacquiao would trouble Mayweather more than Marquez would trouble Mayweather. Freddie Roach saying Pacquiao would also have greater trouble with Mayweather than he does with Marquez doesn't change my point whatsoever.

Apparently you're a boxing fan that still doesn't understand the concept of styles make fights.

I think you are wrong. I have always maintained that Pac would be a easy fight for Floyd. Pac's style is simply tailor made for Floyd.

Pac often lunges in and when he does either he crosses his feet or his head gets in front of his lead foot. Both are boxing no-nos. This a trait Pac has carried over from his kick-boxing days.

It took JMM three fights to figure out how to take advantage of this weakness. And he did it by going against conventional wisdom.

It is always said that to defeat a southpaw, you must always keep your lead foot on the inside his your opponents lead foot. JMM did so a lot of the time. And when he did, he threw jabs and left hooks.

However, JMM also put his lead foot on the outside of Pac's lead foot and did so when Pac was lunging in. When he was that position, JMM launched the overhand right. Manny was coming in face-first with his feet crossed and got caught on the button. If you look at the video, on both the knock down and the knock out, JMM's lead foot was outside of Manny's lead foot. Many just walked into, or should I say, lunged into the punch.

Floyd would do the same thing, but a lot better. He would let Manny come in. Then, when Floyd's lead foot would be on the inside, he would roll his shoulder and catch Manny with jabs and hooks. When he would get his foot on the outside, he would just let Manny lunge into the punches, particularly the overhand right. Floyd's overhand right is faster and more powerful than JMM.

Manny would never catch Floyd with a clean punch and Floyd would pick Manny apart. That's the way I see it going down.