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HOF/ATG Poll: Pac ahead of Floyd for ATG
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Originally posted by KingOfBox View PostAren't you tired of getting roasted by all of us on your own post?? I just showed you proof!
COMPUBOX!!!!!!!!
You fail at life. You fail at being an undercover BIASED PacFan, fail at analysis, fail at comprehension. You think that by somehow "attacking" my general perception that Floyd is a bad SOB that you are somehow discrediting Floyd. Problem is you still have to try to discredit Floyd... Nobody has to try to discredit Manny... A little old "washed up" Mexican did that. Funny how you absolutely refuse to even MENTION MARQUEZ!!!!! BEST OF TRIED TO IMPLY MARQUEZ USED PEDS!!!!
Both mp and fm are atgs. who is ahead in the poll is subjective as voters do have different perspectives. i voted for mp even though i believe fm is generally, a better boxer. statistics tell tales and more...not to digress...just to indicate how i view atg issues...i consider ali the goat...and ali may not in the eyes of others that great
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Originally posted by Goldie View PostWell the argument that Pacquiao's resume is better than Mayweather's because Ali's resume is better than Marciano's is lazy and piss poor, that's why I didn't even acknowledge it.
The argument in bold is a joke, and I'm not going to acknowledge that either. Let's keep this about what each fighter has done in the ring and save the sob stories.
I don't have a problem with the part in italics, I even agree for the most part. Again, I'm not trying to discredit Pacquiao here. I'm no hater. He's a good fighter who's had a really good career. Can't take that away from him. Nothing you said proves that his resume looks better than Mayweather's though. Imo, in order for for one to feel that Pacquiao's resume is better than Mayweather's he/she must be convinced that Pacquiao's wins are so much better than Mayweather's that they outweigh his losses. I just don't see that. I respect you for responding to my question though. Salute.
Maybe I'm being a bit biased because I'm a Pacquiao fan, although I try my best to look at the facts and give my honest view, rather than just base my argument on who I root for. Anyway, we'll agree to disagree on this one.
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Originally posted by Wiley Hyena View Post"You fail at life." ??? LOL Your invective betrays your insecurity. And you are insecure because you simply cannot make a dent in the argument of this thread. You cannot argue with the polling. You cannot argue with the numbers. These are facts.
If the facts were different, you would find me making a different argument..possibly one in Floyd's favor.
I have no issue with anybody saying or implying that Floyd's talent is great. I would agree with the premise that his potential was almost limitless.
But compubox numbers mean nothing when we are talking about greatness. I am absolutely sure there is one perfect fight out there, according to compubox. Or say, as I would imagine, there is a 2 second, 1rst round, one punch KO out there. Is that fighter the GOAT???
What we are talking about here is greatness in the sport. Floyd doesn't have the numbers. He'll be 75 years old at this pace, before he has the numbers. I think its a reasonable assumption that Floyd will never have the numbers.
Now...does a fighter like Holyfield need the numbers to be an all time great? Does a fighter like Foreman need the numbers to be an all time great? Does a fighter like Pacman need the numbers to be an all time great? NO NO and NO. Because they accumulate their accolades thru GLORY.
Two different routes to greatness: Numbers and Glory. Floyd has neither.
This is his problem.
Haha you're so lame.. Pac is still sleeping... Wake up Pacman. Wake up.
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Originally posted by MaD vEiN View Postyour "logic" seems to suggest that Floyd is greater than Duran...do you agree?
Floyd has neither numbers or glory. Pacman has the glory. Thus, Pacman is a more highly regarded ATG.
end of story
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Originally posted by tangalog2200 View PostI enjoy reading the exchanges/posts here although I had been shy for so long now - to dip my fingers on the keys again to join the conversations.
Both mp and fm are atgs. who is ahead in the poll is subjective as voters do have different perspectives. i voted for mp even though i believe fm is generally, a better boxer. statistics tell tales and more...not to digress...just to indicate how i view atg issues...i consider ali the goat...and ali may not in the eyes of others that great
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Originally posted by KingOfBox View PostFighting in Thailand or on 2 weeks notice has nothing to do with resume. Its an excuse. He was right you didn't answer the question until the very end here. I can agree that Floyd is far from the most active fighter but this still doesn't detract from his RESUME. ACTIVITY doesn't equal RESUME. Also having more financial backing just shows that he had people scouting him early on. "Pretending to be retired" or "protecting a goose egg" doesn't mean anything when you beat: Hernandez, Castillo, Corrales, Gatti, Judah, DLH, Mosley, Hatton, Marquez, Cotto. I think realistically, Pacquiao has a slightly better resume. BUT he has been in wars, tied, lost and been KO'd. Floyd has been in MAYBE two fights in which the result was in doubt. Castillo 1 and when Mosley rocked him in round 2. That is IT. For Pacquiao: Torrecampo, Singsurat, Ledwaba, Morales, Marquez x 4. Overall, Floyd has been dominant while Pac has been also great but has had several fights lost or in doubt. The result is clear when Floyd fights except for once in is whole career. Not even the SLIGHTLY better resume can top dominance
As for the bit highlighted in bold, I think you may mean Sanchez, mate.
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Originally posted by Wiley Hyena View PostTHIS is a pungent comment. Again; 2 routes to greatness...numbers and glory. The guys that have both are up for consideration as GOAT.
Floyd has neither numbers or glory. Pacman has the glory. Thus, Pacman is a more highly regarded ATG.
end of story
Fighting everyone is cool and all but losing while doing both isn't. Thus explained by what happens after these "losses". Retirement, evander Holyfield syndrome etc... They have both fought everyone except eachother. You can't blame one or the other for both of them simply not getting it done. Let's not get started on Bob Arum
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