Y'all musta forgot!

[GoldSugar]

Dained oy beat Tarver so why would people say Tarver had Roys number

[Larry the boss]

Dained oy beat Tarver so why would people say Tarver had Roys number

1st fight could have gone either way,lets not act like he dominated Tarver,im not saying Tarver beats Prime Roy bit Roy would not have toyed with him at all,like i said they fought as kids so Tarver knew him very well,there is a reason Tarver had to chase him for a fight

[GoldSugar]

1st fight could have gone either way,lets not act like he dominated Tarver,im not saying Tarver beats Prime Roy bit Roy would not have toyed with him at all,like i said they fought as kids so Tarver knew him very well,there is a reason Tarver had to chase him for a fight

Tarver chased Roy? lol the first meaningful fight Tarver won Roy fought him

[Larry the boss]

Tarver chased Roy? lol the first meaningful fight Tarver won Roy fought him

Yes Tarver showed up to his post fight press conference trying to get a fight with Roy..and Roy HAD to fight him to get his titles back that he vacated when he went up to heavyweight

[Larry the boss]

Tuesday, October 21
Updated: October 24, 7:15 PM ET

Kellerman: Tarver's getting an angry Jones
By Max Kellerman
Special to ESPN.com

Antonio Tarver is talking a lot of smack about Roy Jones. This is nothing new. Tarver's mouth is what lured Jones into their upcoming November showdown. At the Jones-John Ruiz postfight press conference, Tarver incensed the light heavyweight champ by tauntingly accusing Jones of ducking him. Tarver's mouth got under Jones' skin, and now the two will get in a ring next month to let their fists do the talking.

Antonio has told me in the past that Roy has been ducking him for years. Tarver's claim is that when he was the mandatory contender in one of those ridiculous sanctioning bodies, Roy refused to fight him. The gist of our conversation went something like this:

Me: "But you lost to Eric Harding and he got the title shot. Roy beat the guy who beat you."

Tarver: "Yeah, but I should never have been forced to fight in an eliminator in the first place, because I was already the mandatory."

Me: "But being the mandatory in one of those ridiculous sanctioning bodies is not really a mandate to fight for the title. Harding had the best record of any non-Dariusz Michalczewski 175-pounder in the world. Michalczewski's people were not going to let him come over to the U.S. to fight Roy, and Roy was understandably worried about getting ripped off in Germany. So Harding was the de facto mandatory contender. And then he beat you, giving him an undeniable claim as the top available contender."

Tarver: "But I was the mandatory. I never should have had to fight Harding in the first place."

Me: "But you did fight him and you lost, and he got the shot. Then you beat Harding in a rematch and now you're getting the shot."

Tarver: "But why was I put in the situation where I had to fight Harding in the first place? I was the mandatory."

Me: "But you didn't deserve to be and that was proven in your fight against Harding."

Tarver: "But I should never have been put in the position where I had to fight Harding."

And on and on.

That conversation took place after Antonio had just dominated Montell Griffin over 12 rounds on the James Toney-Vassiliy Jirov undercard in April. Antonio and I went round for round about his career for at least an hour. He told me that he felt he was ignored by boxing's top fighters because he is too dangerous an opponent. I told him that he had been ignored by boxing's best because his performances had not created demand to see him fight, and that until the last 12-18 months, he had not compiled the kind of resume that would force media types like me to start shouting that he was in fact being ignored.

Over the last two years or so, however, Tarver has established himself beyond doubt as the best available 175-pound Roy Jones opponent. In Jan. 2002, he beat Reggie Johnson on points. Six months later Tarver avenged his defeat to Harding with a knockout win. Finally, in April of this year Tarver dominated Montell Griffin -- knocking him down twice en route to a shutout points win.

Antonio recently told Brian Kenny that with the exception of the Roy Jones-Montell Griffin rematch (in which Jones obliterated Griffin in one round), he, Antonio Tarver, fared better against Harding, Griffin and Johnson than Jones had.

Tarver was knocked down and decisioned by Eric Harding in their first fight, and lost the first three rounds in their rematch before catching and dropping Harding in the fourth and stopping him in the fifth. Jones also struggled against Harding, but was up on points when Harding's bicep injury forced his corner to throw in the towel. Jones won more rounds out of the 10 he fought against Harding than Tarver won in 17.

Roy did "lose" to Montell Griffin in their first fight. He was, however, ahead in a tough fight against Griffin, and was disqualified because he hit Griffin after he had knocked him down. Had there been no disqualification, Jones would have likely stopped Montell. Tarver dominated Griffin and deserves a lot of credit for it.

If Jones' return Griffin performance is left out of the equation, then Tarver is correct -- he was more dominant against Griffin than Jones. The same way the Soviets beat us with their space program -- if you take away our '69 moon landing.

Tarver looked good against Reggie Johnson. Roy Jones dominated Johnson in a way that boxing fans will tell their grandkids about. In fact, Jones landed one of the most impressive punches in boxing history against Johnson. With both fighters in the middle of the ring and in defensive positions, Jones threw the fastest power punch I have ever seen, felling Johnson like a tree. When I want to show non-boxing fans why Roy might be the best athlete on the planet, I play them that clip.

Tarver truly believes that he will beat Jones. He has constructed legalistic arguments for why it has taken so long for him to land a big fight, and why he will win that fight against the best fighter in boxing. He has talked himself into a corner -- and a big payday. He must now fight his way out.

Tarver is a huge underdog, and based on how both he and Jones have looked as professionals, Roy should dominate him. But Harding was dominating Tarver in their rematch, and it only took one Tarver shot to effectively end their fight.

Jones -- who normally takes very few risks, and is therefore usually impossible to hit -- is emotionally charged for Tarver in a way he has not been for any light heavyweight since Griffin in the rematch. Following that one round blowout, Roy said that the "loss" in their fight brought out his vicious alter ego, "RJ," for their second one.

RJ takes more risks than Roy and is therefore a more dynamic offensive fighter -- but also a more vulnerable one defensively. If Tarver has brought out RJ, it should be an easy fight for Jones. Easy, and dangerous.

[boxing is alive]

IMO Roy Jones Jr. was the most physically gifted athlete ever to step in the ring. I, like many others feel he won the majority of his fights on his athletisism alone. But it is bothersome to hear people say he had been exposed by tarver! Jones was 35 when he lost to tarver, most fighters are done by that age! I feel that Jones gaining the weight and extra muscle to fight ruiz did him in! " Its easier to recover by loosing fat, but not by loosing muscle mass! Tarver was victim of that himself when he gained weight and some extra muscle for the "Rocky" movie. He said it himself. Jones in his prime would beat anybody from middleweight to cruiserweight easily! Y'all musta forgot!,lol.

Even at his weakest, RJJ still beat Tarver! (I had the fight 115-113 for RJJ in one of the gutsiest performances I've seen). To me, that solidified that he could beat ANYONE in his prime. Anybody that says he got exposed don't know ****!

[GoldSugar]

Thats hardly chasing. So if I show up to Roy's press conference I am chasing him for a fight?

[Larry the boss]

Thats hardly chasing. So if I show up to Roy's press conference I am chasing him for a fight?

did you not read what i posted??he was his mandatory for years and had been trying to fight him for years..i posted the article just read it,am i saying he would have won???no but he would not have been ran thru or toyed with,he knows how to fight Roy

[GoldSugar]

Roy would have toyed with Tarver. He toyed with so many southpaws its not funny

[Larry the boss]

Roy would have toyed with Tarver. He toyed with so many southpaws its not funny

Name those Southpaws please