Pac Fans...did JMM juice or not? what you got?

[Ged21]

im a huge marquez fan and i have my su****ions. After never knocking him down once in 3 fights all of a sudden he knocks him down and then he viciously puts him to sleep??? Add to that, that his strength and conditioning coach was a balco chemist and of course red flags are raised. To be fair i also feel pacman was on something during his prime years.

[madsweeney]

Here's the video, but NO Marquez didn't do any illegal PEDs.

[extracurRICular]

Here's the video, but NO Marquez didn't do any illegal PEDs.

I can't make out WTF he is saying over the german fella....I gotta look for this in english (or spanish) im off to youtubeland............

[Boxing Bob]

As far as I'm concerned no. He passed a great commissions drug tests so there's no need fo question his victory

There's no need for logic in this thread!

[Jerub_Baal]

It's pretty obvious in my opinion, it's like asking if Margarito had loaded gloves for the first Cotto fight......

[Redd Foxx]

Nothing is unlikely..if Shane and Vargas and Berto got caught..nothing suprises me..If you get the right "nutritionist" it can be done, there are ways around the drug test..were not just talking plain old steroids like D-bol..there are tons of synthetic PEDS out there.

Not talking about traces. You dodged the point about in-ring befits. I maintain that PEDs are primarily used in training, not for fight night as you implied was a possibility.

[TheBoxingBanger]

@Jerub_Baal

It's pretty obvious in my opinion, it's like asking if Margarito had loaded gloves for the first Cotto fight......

Good one. Couldn't have put it better myself.

...or the whole Lance Armstrong thing.... guilty until proven guilty lol.

[tesla_power]

Not sure but dont care if he juiced up or not. Pac got caught with a perfect punch, running into it, plus his resistance is not as before. So, imo, being juiced or not did not really factor in the ko. It was more of pac's fault more than anything. He got careless even when he knew jmm always got his number.

In any case, will still support him in future fights. He has given us more than a decade on enjoyment. I've supported him since pre sasakul. The singsurat or morales loss was more painful imo. Lolz. This loss was not unexpected considering his fighting style. You can expect this before dlh but pac still gave us 3 more memorable fights plus one... Even though it is a loss. .

Hope he still has one great win left. Then, retire

[Plat]

Maybe, but he passed the tests so...

[onetwopunch]

Not talking about traces. You dodged the point about in-ring befits. I maintain that PEDs are primarily used in training, not for fight night as you implied was a possibility.

I did not imply that..I was trying to get my point across in regards to the benefits of using peds. I also stated in earlier post 2 good examples of guys who used them and it was able to benefit them Shane and Vargas. Shane standing toe to toe with DLH..taking everythinig DLH threw at him and still stayed focused and didnt skip a beat, and A post Trinidad Vargas..who was clearly not the same fighter pre Trinindad. When he fought DLH..he came out like a tiger for the early rounds..when prior to that he was dropped and hurt by Wilfredo Rivera. And PEDS wont help if you take them that same night..you need to take them over a period of time "a cycle"....its not a magic pill..or a 1 shot deal you take it before the fight and turn into the hulk..there is no such thing..