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Exactly. Martinez is a one time champ, with some decent wins.
Those guys you mentioned are borderline HOFers. It's arguable whether they are good enough to get in at all and in comparison, they are multiple time, multiple division champs with wins over some excellent champions. Compared to guys like Freitas, Casamayor, Castillo and Gainer, the Macklin, Chavez and Dzinziruk wins don't stack up too well.
The only real champion among all of Martinez' wins is Pavlik. The other couple were either given titles, literally, or won a paper title here as there. Just having Casamayor, Corrales and Johnston is better than all of Martinez entire combined record sadly.
If he'd been able to get going much earlier and had been this good, then it's possible he could have gotten into the HOF. But it's for the greatest fighters that have ever fought across boxings entire history. It's reserved for the true stand outs that made history as being well and truly above the rest of the field. The Duran's, Ali's, Robinsons, Leonard's, to today's best like Hopkins, Pac, Marquez, Mayweather, Jones, Toney, Holyfield, Lewis etc.
Think about what it's taken for Marquez to get into the HOF, then be considered an ATG. He's been beating champions as good and better than what Martinez has beaten for well over a decade and its only in his recent years, maybe the last five years, that people have started saying he's a HOFer and ATG.
Think about this people; Marquez had beaten more champions than Martinez, lost less fights and also become champion by 2003. That's nearly ten years ago now.
By the time he started getting talked about as a HOFer, he was a two division, three time champion with over twice as many champions beaten as Martinez.
The point being is that it takes a lot more than what he's done, a lot more, to be considered a HOFer and way, way more to be considered a proper ATG.
It took Marquez beating Barrera, along with 8 or so other champions beaten before that (Martinez has only beaten 5 champions in his entire career so far, only 5, Marquez had beaten that many literally ten years ago), and becoming a two division, three time champion to be considered a HOFer. It took him becoming a three division champion (should be four now if Bradley didn't rob Pac), the oldest ever lineal lightweight champion, another 5 or so champions after Barrera, including fighting the two best p4p fighters of the last decade, and knocking out an 8 division ATG in his prime to be considered an ATG himself.
Just think about that. Marquez beat his first champ in 1996 compared to 2009 (actually 2010 officially) for Martinez. Now think of everything that Marquez has done since 1996. That's what it takes to become an ATG with the long history in this sport.
Martinez hasn't even scratched the surface.
Those guys you mentioned are borderline HOFers. It's arguable whether they are good enough to get in at all and in comparison, they are multiple time, multiple division champs with wins over some excellent champions. Compared to guys like Freitas, Casamayor, Castillo and Gainer, the Macklin, Chavez and Dzinziruk wins don't stack up too well.
The only real champion among all of Martinez' wins is Pavlik. The other couple were either given titles, literally, or won a paper title here as there. Just having Casamayor, Corrales and Johnston is better than all of Martinez entire combined record sadly.
If he'd been able to get going much earlier and had been this good, then it's possible he could have gotten into the HOF. But it's for the greatest fighters that have ever fought across boxings entire history. It's reserved for the true stand outs that made history as being well and truly above the rest of the field. The Duran's, Ali's, Robinsons, Leonard's, to today's best like Hopkins, Pac, Marquez, Mayweather, Jones, Toney, Holyfield, Lewis etc.
Think about what it's taken for Marquez to get into the HOF, then be considered an ATG. He's been beating champions as good and better than what Martinez has beaten for well over a decade and its only in his recent years, maybe the last five years, that people have started saying he's a HOFer and ATG.
Think about this people; Marquez had beaten more champions than Martinez, lost less fights and also become champion by 2003. That's nearly ten years ago now.
By the time he started getting talked about as a HOFer, he was a two division, three time champion with over twice as many champions beaten as Martinez.
The point being is that it takes a lot more than what he's done, a lot more, to be considered a HOFer and way, way more to be considered a proper ATG.
It took Marquez beating Barrera, along with 8 or so other champions beaten before that (Martinez has only beaten 5 champions in his entire career so far, only 5, Marquez had beaten that many literally ten years ago), and becoming a two division, three time champion to be considered a HOFer. It took him becoming a three division champion (should be four now if Bradley didn't rob Pac), the oldest ever lineal lightweight champion, another 5 or so champions after Barrera, including fighting the two best p4p fighters of the last decade, and knocking out an 8 division ATG in his prime to be considered an ATG himself.
Just think about that. Marquez beat his first champ in 1996 compared to 2009 (actually 2010 officially) for Martinez. Now think of everything that Marquez has done since 1996. That's what it takes to become an ATG with the long history in this sport.
Martinez hasn't even scratched the surface.
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