Is Pacquiao-Marquez the greatest boxing rivalry of all time?

[shade darkar]

i'm not letting personal anything cloud logic. everyting you said is true. everything I've said is true. the last 3 fights the 2 fighters weren't even in competing in the same weight class. and they wouldn't have fought if not for those historic elements.

If your point is down the line people will forget, well i can't disagree same with your point about Dariusz eventually getting into HOF. They had 3 great fights.

But for me, this isn't a classic rivalry for the reasons stated. Its closer to ruiz-holyfield than bowe-holyfield.

irrelevant in this case. they both enter the ring a couple of lbs apart. they are both about the same size. the fights could have been at heavyweight, they would still both enter the ring at around 150. could have been at junior weltwerweight, they still would have been 150 in the ring.

[The Big Dunn]

The last two, Marquez came up. Not the last three. Fight two came at Jr. Lightweight when both were there and had about cleared out the rest of class. Marquez was the defending champ. They were rated 1-2 at 130. If you're going to make this baffling argument, you need to get the facts sorted out.

You have the right to your own opinions. Not to your own facts.

Ruiz-Holyfield huh? Okay.

That about says it all on your take.

Moving on.

my mistake it should of said 2.

[Russian Crushin]

Almost everything in boxing is about money. Ray Robinson used to hold up fights the day of to get a bigger take, threatening to walk out. Killed a third Basilio fight that way in negotiations. STILL had great rivalries.

This fight probably just was the Fight of the Year for 2012. The second fight was a runner up. 3 was very good. History won't change some business elements, but the competition was insanely good. You are letting a personal animus cloud logic.

The argument you're making is increasingly invalid. What happened in the ring trumps all.

And what happens in the ring is the history people will remember first.

This is all that matters

But somehow this rivalry is being discredited because of things like money outside of the ring?

[The Big Dunn]

irrelevant in this case. they both enter the ring a couple of lbs apart. they are both about the same size. the fights could have been at heavyweight, they would still both enter the ring at around 150. could have been at junior weltwerweight, they still would have been 150 in the ring.

I've stated my reasons why I feel the way I do.

[The Tase]

a classic rivalry is about competition between 2 men. the last 3 fights were not about that, they were about sustaining Manny's earning capability. history will never change that.

i'm not letting personal anything cloud logic. everyting you said is true. everything I've said is true. the last 3 fights the 2 fighters weren't even in competing in the same weight class. and they wouldn't have fought if not for those historic elements.

If your point is down the line people will forget, well i can't disagree same with your point about Dariusz eventually getting into HOF. They had 3 great fights.

But for me, this isn't a classic rivalry for the reasons stated. Its closer to ruiz-holyfield than bowe-holyfield.

pac and marquez are basically the same size. both are career 130 and under fighters.

they have had 4 fights at varying weight classes and the fights have almost always been carbon copy of themselves.

People like you put far too much emphasis on weight. they fought at welter, just above their walking around weight. They basically just trained for the fight and not trained to make weight which is beneficial really to both boxers.

You are over thinking and over analyzing the situation. Pac Marquez is a very definition of a rivalry.

You're just trying to find a way to discredit it since we all know you are in the floyd mayweather slurp club.

[The Tase]

This is all that matters

But somehow this rivalry is being discredited because of things like money outside of the ring?

look at who the poster is though. Its a member of the floyd boy toys brigade.


trying to find some irrelevant circumstance to find rationale for his irrational logic.

[Russian Crushin]

Pac-JMM was not a competitive fight between 2 men because the bookies said so even tho in the ring it was an extremely competitive fight between 2 men.

[I Love Jesus!]

please dude. this isn't a classic rivalry. manny lowballed jmm and made him wait for ever after the draw. then fought him a 4th time becuase manny was being greedy, rather than fight floyd, a non cw cotto, or bradley.

lets not romanticize manny's greed and make this something it isn't.

Yeah Floyd was practically stalking top rank to get the fight so he had to go elsewhere. Oh wait Floyds been dodging the fight

[The Big Dunn]

pac and marquez are basically the same size. both are career 130 and under fighters.

they have had 4 fights at varying weight classes and the fights have almost always been carbon copy of themselves.

People like you put far too much emphasis on weight. they fought at welter, just above their walking around weight. They basically just trained for the fight and not trained to make weight which is beneficial really to both boxers.

You are over thinking and over analyzing the situation. Pac Marquez is a very definition of a rivalry.

You're just trying to find a way to discredit it since we all know you are in the floyd mayweather slurp club.

yeah thats it. if cotto agrees to cw then we don't have #4. if floyd makes better offer we dont have #3. Is there any other classic rivalry where the 2 of the fights wouldn't have happened?

[The Big Dunn]

look at who the poster is though. Its a member of the floyd boy toys brigade.


trying to find some irrelevant circumstance to find rationale for his irrational logic.

of course the thread isn't about floyd. its about whether this is a classic rivalry or not.