Is there such thing as a Lucky Punch?

[Nekronicle]

No. If you throw a punch then you intend to hit someone with it, if you hit them then you did what you intended.

It would be lucky if you tripped over your shoe lace and KOed someone by falling into them.

lol Manny did trip and he fell directly into Marquez's fist.

[Nekronicle]

And there we have it. The veil has been dropped. With a little goading, the pseudo-sensible opinion has descended into cries of "PEDs!". It's obvious you don't want convincing otherwise because your mind is made up. You can't accept that Pac was knocked out cold and there just HAS to be some other explanation. Right? It was lucky! It was PEDs! IT JUST SHOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED!!! Well you've made yourself pretty clear. But in most people's opinion, Marquez deserves full credit for hanging tough, preparing well and taking advantage of Pacquiao's bad habits (yes, he drops his hands when throwing punches. Trip or no trip!)... oh and laying Pacquiao out like a cheap rug.

lolllll there has been no veil... If you dont think PEDs played a part in the power that Marquez has you are delusional. I accept that he was Knocked out, I am fully aware he was Knocked out.....buttttt still Luck.

You are asking if there is a lucky punch in boxing!?!?!?!?

It is what boxers DO! They train to hit something. Luck can only be considered if the circumstances involved is not governed or influenced by any means. Winning the lottery is luck, hitting somebody's jaw/chin is not because that's what you aim for in the first place and you do it by whatever means possible (training,feint,ruse,bait,etc.). Even if they were fighting with blindfolds luck would not a part in it because they stay within a confined space and, given time, will eventually hit each other (statistics can explain this better).

Thats like arguing probability, and using it as a measure of the expectation that an event will occur. I see probability as a statistical way to measure luck, if you are a subjectivists, which i am. Applying that theory to this, the expert knowledge aspect in which JMM did train to land that textbook punch eveyr boxer should train for when fighting a southpaw, and liklihood of that punch actually completing its intention.

I measured JMMs probability of actually landing that punch as high enough odds to consider it luck, based on his performance throughout the fight, and the fact he GAMBLED ON THE EXACT SAME PUNCH AT THE 10 SECOND MARK, AND FAILED.

Thats like arguing that putting $10.00 on 32 on a roulette wheel..if it hits is Luck vs Probability

Goddamn you're beyond ******.

1. It wasn't an overhand right it was a short straight right hand

2. All you gotta do is press play and you'll see JMM practicing that same counter he landed on Pac. Same timing, angle, same everything.

lol dude, JMM wasnt even fully able to complete that punch because Manny's face unpredictably free-falled onto his fist. You could throw that same punch 239874239872398 times and it can hit, but do you honestly think every time it lands its going to be a KO? I dont think so, thats where LUCK comes into play, (or probability if you want to make it a little more technical), there are so many variables that were involved in that specific KO, that i find the probability of it happening high enough to yield it as LUCK.

[Nekronicle]

Everything had to be perfect for that KO to happen, of which some aspects were uncontrollable.

That accompanied with the fact that at the 10 second mark, it looked like Marquez gambled on the same punch that eventually KO'd Pacman.... There was no feints, no jab to setup anything, Pacman didnt do anything to suggest he'd run in a straight line...whats your explanation on that punch? JMM threw it, when he was like a mile away from Pacman..ONLY way that punch makes sense is if he was ******** on Pacman rushing forward at that particular moment in time.

EVEN JMM'S TRAINER ADMITTED THAT A KO WAS NOT EXPECTED, AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS A PHENOMENA...

[Nekronicle]

Also, if you can argue that the punch wasnt lucky... are you able to argue Tate/Weaver, or specifically Julian Jackson vs Herol Graham [Fight was virtually identical to Pac/Marquez IV]...wasnt a result of luck as confidently as you do this fight..

[i_am_a_champ]

haha, how do you explain rounds 1, 2, 4, 5, and 2 minutes and 58 seconds of 6?? Marquez was looking pathetic this fight...he is old, and he is slow and not the same fighter he used to be...He has Power, which is likely the result of PED's... He got lucky that Pacquaio made a mistake, he got lucky that Pacquaio tripped over his foot and his head was in free fall, creating the perfect circumstnace for a KO...forcing Pac to drop his left in preparation for hitting the canvas after a trip, and having his head in free fall not allowing for a braced shot, knocked his brain around causing a KO... You're going to call that masterful skill? where was that skill previously?? I saw it once, where Marquez at least set up Pac for that right which put him on the cavnvas the first time

Interesting statments you have provided here. The theme of a non biased discussion you had set up from the first post on this thread has now been proved to indeed be a farce.

Do you believe in such a thing as a "Lucky Punch?" or does it just happen to be a PERFECT punch? If you believe in Luck, how do you define it and what are some examples? If you don't believe in Luck, then tell me why via solid reasoning or analysis of one of the fights I consider luck mentioned later on in this thread.

Quite a change of tone from what you just posted...eh?


You ousted your self with your last post. This whole thread is irrelevant as is your whole argument because you are contaminated with hatred , ill views and biased perceptions about JMM ( accusing him of PEDs etc , denouncing his skill , being in denial etc )


It is pointless and somewhat ridiculous continuing your discussion because of your contaminated views and biased attitude which is what you have structured your whole argument upon.

The only thing you wish to accomplish is to have a rant about JMM winning and masking that in the form of a poorly organised discussion which is supposed to be about lucky punches but in actual fact is a thread offloading your anger and biased views onto others.

This discussion with you was a waste of time.

[New England]

not really

an opponent can make a mistake, but you've still got to capitalize.

these guys don't just wing shots. they're usually thinking two or three steps down the road to land the hard ones.

[ThePunchingBag]

The only thing lucky about it was the fact that Pac tripped on Marquez's foot and fell face first into it.

It was unfortunate for Pac, but the punch itself was not lucky.

The punch was a well timed counter punch that was made more effective by Pac's disorientation at the time it landed.

Them's the breaks in boxing.

[Nekronicle]

Interesting statments you have provided here. The theme of a non biased discussion you had set up from the first post on this thread has now been proved to indeed be a farce.




Quite a change of tone from what you just posted...eh?

Haha yeah, 14 pages later when ~4 posts have been legit reasoning, and not fallacious insults.

You ousted your self with your last post. This whole thread is irrelevant as is your whole argument because you are contaminated with hatred , ill views and biased perceptions about JMM ( accusing him of PEDs etc , denouncing his skill , being in denial etc )


It is pointless and somewhat ridiculous continuing your discussion because of your contaminated views and biased attitude which is what you have structured your whole argument upon.

The only thing you wish to accomplish is to have a rant about JMM winning and masking that in the form of a poorly organised discussion which is supposed to be about lucky punches but in actual fact is a thread offloading your anger and biased views onto others.

This discussion with you was a waste of time.

hahahah, are you seroius?? You're attacking me, and not the argument...that is a fallacy. My opinion on Pac and Marquez have nothing to do with what I consider to be a lucky punch...I literally posted other examples of what i consider lucky punches , ONE OF WHICH IS VIRTUALLY IDENTICAL TO THE PAC/MARQUEZ FIGHT

My argument's basis is subjective, yet based on clear cut observations. Not conjecture on what I THINK Marquez was thinking at that moment...that is arrogance and ignornace, since nobody here ..NOT EVEN NACHO ..knew what was going on in the mind of JMM at that particular moment in time...it can only be based on unbiased observation.

[Light_Speed]

lol dude, JMM wasnt even fully able to complete that punch because Manny's face unpredictably free-falled onto his fist. You could throw that same punch 239874239872398 times and it can hit, but do you honestly think every time it lands its going to be a KO? I dont think so, thats where LUCK comes into play, (or probability if you want to make it a little more technical), there are so many variables that were involved in that specific KO, that i find the probability of it happening high enough to yield it as LUCK.

Yet you don't think Pac's KO of Hatton was lucky. Do us all a favor and log the f$ck out.

[Nekronicle]

The only thing lucky about it was the fact that Pac tripped on Marquez's foot and fell face first into it.

It was unfortunate for Pac, but the punch itself was not lucky.

The punch was a well timed counter punch that was made more effective by Pac's disorientation at the time it landed.

Them's the breaks in boxing.

You cant argue that part of the circumstances were based on luck..then turn around and say the Knockout was not luck. When you just stated that luck served as a variable.