Is there such thing as a Lucky Punch?

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Yes there is such a thing as a lucky punch. Every sport has luck. I mean if pitchers could control pitches and batters could hit towards the field they wanted to there then there wouldnt be the use of luck.

Its not skill when you throw a hail mary and your receiver just happens to catch it in a pile of players.

Maybe the punch itself was not lucky, but the fact that Pacquiao made the mistake of running into it and it was enough to put him to sleep.

I disagree, I don't believe in lucky punches because you prepare for everything being thrown at you and if you get caught, it was bad defense on your part.

What JMM did was far from luck, he prepared that right counter all in training camp and if you listen to Nacho before the fight, he talks about the right being the key shot.

It was a beautifully timed shot and even though it wasn't JMM's plan to get hurt and pushed into the ropes, he fought back like a true Mexican and caught him with one of the best shots we will ever see in this sport.

[Gojira]

If a punch is thrown with intent, its not a lucky punch.

[DeadLikeMe]

Ok...so I assume most people think about what they're throwing like I do. I throw punches to try to land other punches. I paw the jab with nothing on it or go to the body to open them up. Lets say an opponent just happens to completely walk into one of these near feints and goes down. I'd consider it a lucky punch because I had no intention of really getting them with that shot. The stars aligned and luck gave you an unexpected outcome.

Marquez was trying to hit Pac in the face with about all he could give on that shot. Pacquiao ran into JMM's fist full force. He got KTFO, nothing lucky there.

[fitefan]

I'll bite on this thread. The one thing the starter failed to mention in favour of focusing on how he thought the fight was panning out, is that Marquez took advantage of something Pacquiao does over and over again. That's punch while stepping in simultaneously. He also repeatedly lunges. I saw an analysis on Pacman and his supposed improvement. He does this three punch "right-left-right" combo while running forwards. He did it to Cotto and landed but had tried it on Marquez in '08 and didn't but nearly got knocked down. Marquez didn't need to set anything up. He created the perfect distance with a little shuffle back, waited Manny's habitual lunge starting with right (where he also drops his left before firing everyday time), then instead stepping back or the side, he stepped forward and delivered the overland right. Nothing lucky about.

If you're going to talk about circumstance, then you might as well bring up the fact they both made it to the ring at the same time as there was no guarantee for that either. The fact is, Marquez knows Pacquiao better than any opponent and knows his habits. He knows Pac responds to feints which is hobble dropped him the first time. He knows Pacquiao lunges and dropped him again. It was experience, study and the uncanny timing amd ability to take advantage of an opportunity as only a great boxer can. The fact that Pac stumbled is unfortunate for him as it might have changed the effect of the punch. But nothing about the delivery(as it happened AFTER Pacquiao makes his move) can be associated with luck.

Are there lucky punches? For me a punch can only be described as lucky if it's thrown without any remote idea of where your opponent is, ie. in the dark. Those seeking solace about this fight should do it elsewhere.

this obviously means nothing to him and those that foolishly think the same as him

[Nekronicle]

are you simply trying to make yourself popular here? lol

you're focusing on the last 10 second mark as opposed to watching the whole damn fight. the reason jmm didn't look as crisp as he has in the previous fight was that he bulked up too much. so you're trying to devalue his win by indicating he was lucky is lame. not saying you are lame, but what you're trying to get people here to buy is

I am literally doing the complete opposite of that, part of the reason i think it is lucky, is because of how Marquez performed the entire fight prior to the KO!

why aren't you taking into account the number of times pac did that same feint, leap in **** in the previous 3 fights? everyone for the most part realizes that jmm knows pac better than any other fighter. is it hard for you to realize that if a fighter tries the sames thing over and over again someone can devise a way to make them pay for being so repetitive?

Im not taking that into account because in this fight, those feints, were working and Pacman was out-countering, out-landing and overall, outboxing Marquez... And there were plenty of examples, butthe prime example was the 10 second marker where he gambled on the same punch that KO'd him..for someone that everyone seems to consider a master counter-puncher in his ultimate prime , that punch was ridiculous (among the other aspects of Marquez fight game)

what pac did in this fight(well moreso the last 2 rounds) is REVERT back to the reckless idiot who jmm beat the dog **** out of after getting dropped 3 times in one round. you get reckless you get countered. the only difference this go round was that jmm was stronger

What pac did in this fight was out-perform Marquez, and actually do better than his previous encounters! How is this not apparent?!

[-Kev-]

Luck does not exist. Probability does.

What is the probability that in a boxing match, you throw a punch to some one who's right in front of you and it lands; eyes closed or not, it's not luck. It's a high probability that you land a punch to some one who's right there in front of you.

[Nekronicle]

theres no such thing as a lucky punch.

a fighter can dominate a fight, get sloppy once, get knocked out and its still not luck. its boxing, like emanuel steward used to say thats what seperates this sport from all others.

the fact that one fighter gets sloppy in is a flaw on his part and the oponents ability to capitalize on any single mistake is a strenght on his part. and lets keep in mind pacquiao was far form dominating the fight, he had the upper hand but it was very competetive.

but pacquiao always makes mistakes, thats always been a flaw of his. marquez has always been a sharpshooter that will make you pay for every mistake you make. that translates into trouble if you are manny pacquiao and its the main reason marquez had mannys number all these years.

the punch itself was as masterful as you could throw. he clearly set pacquiao up, timed him and walked him into it while slipping a punch himself at the same time. anyone who argues it wasnt skillfully executed is a fool.

in the past marquez would make pacquiao miss and counter him as he would get off balance, one of his biggest flaws. for this fight he decided to catch pacquiao coming in instead, bigger risk but also a bigger reward when perfectly executed. he pulled it off.

you can say manny just made a mistake or got overconfident all you want to, its just pointing out his biggest flaw as a fighter. not much of an excuse.

How did he clearly set pacquiao up??? Marquez did nothing other than throw an overhand right, when pac was rushing in and tripped and fell face first into his fist......the first Knockdown, was masterful, he jabbed to the head, feinted to the body forcing pac to drop his hands and threw a beautiful shot that floored him..literally the only time in that fight where Marquez actually showed some skill..other than that he was getting countered, and pretty much beat up....that is also not what JMM did in the last second of the round..... at the 10 second mark, Marquez threw the same punch...a overhand right...he didnt set it up with a jab, didnt feint...Pac didnt do anything either, it was a lead right that was an obvious GAMBLE..he threw the exact same punch 10 seconds later, and it paid off...i consider that luck.

[-Kev-]

Out of all the punches that could be called lucky in boxing, this is one of the worst examples. The punch was not lucky at all. He stepped back, waited for Pacquiao to come in, and threw it at the exact perfect time, with perfect accuracy and the right amount of power. Not lucky at all.

[sicko]

Not When Your A Counter Puncher And Is Known For Your Timing!

"Lucky Punch" is an excuse used by fans who can't deal with the fact that their favorite fighter lost

[Nekronicle]

the only time you could say there was a lucky punch would be when a guy is blindly swinging wildly to just try and connect with anything and boom one of those wild haymakers connects.

you could make the argument that even that wasn't lucky because it could be part of the guys strategy to just overwhelm other guy with lots of punches not caring where/how they are thrown

marquez punch against pacquiao was 100% skill, 0% luck. i guess you could say it was lucky that pac came charging in blindly with his hands down, but the punch itself was perfect.

Several people have said this...but have yet to provide an example...it as if you define the lucky punch in boxing as existing..but its never been seen!