Why is Marquez all defensive about his new muscles?

[New England]

Marquez has always been known as a big puncher. Pac has always been known as a big puncher too, that stops guys with accumulation more though. But, Marquez stopped guys that had never been dropped, or knocked out before many times. Pac has shown that he can be hurt, knocked down and knocked out. It has all happened to him numerous times before.

What is so hard to understand?

Mosley and Margarito couldn't put Cotto down with one shot. Mosley especially, a major league puncher, could hardly even hurt him with huge right hands, yet Pac lands one clean left hand uppercut that not only knocks him down badly, but completely ruins his legs too.

Do you understand that this is what happens in boxing when you get caught clean? It is minute differences in the velocity and angle of punches. Pac, a guy that came up from Flyweight, could nearly take Cotto's head off with one punch, whereas Mosley, a massive puncher from 135 to 154, couldn't get close to it over 12 rounds? This is your reasoning.

Hatton, who had only been stopped against a guy after taking 10 rounds of non stop, clean, hard, flush punches and still got up up ramming head first into the corner post, suddenly gets put out with one shot by a former Flyweight, despite having shown he could take shots from one of 140s greatest ever punchers in Tszyu without even blinking....Pac had never put someone out like that before and he does it suddenly, without question, at the highest weight he's ever fought at?

It's called catching someone clean. It's all about catching someone flush, when they don't see or expect it. That's what Marquez did. That's what Pac did. That's what Martinez did. It's what hundreds of guys have done. Simple as that.

marquez is not a big puncher, certainly not at welterweight. he generally requires many rounds of putting punches together to put guys away.


he's not a feather fister, but pacquiao's resistance to punches has clearly diminished. he's taken punches in victory and defeat for many years now.

now, that said, pacquiao never ran into a right hand like that against marquez

[danceswithfire]

Context kid. Context.

Clearly you haven't been watching boxing very long. When Marquez started out, he was known as a power puncher. He wasn't thought of as counter puncher or boxer/puncher. He was thought of by the general boxing fraternity as a power puncher. Clearly you don't remember that because you've only been watching boxing for six months. Having watched his entire career from it's inception, that's what everyone said of him when he was blasting guys out early on.

it's you that dont know **** calling marquez a big puncher...power was never one of his assets..altho he's not feaheristed either , he was never a BIG puncher ..last night change that for some reason..if you trully knew what youre talking about , you would know this...

[lilducer22]

marquez was looking for the ko, his main punch was the straight, he threw it many many times and aimed it at the same place everytime on pacs chin, it was only a matter of time pac was gonna walk into it the way pac goes on the inside with his hands pretty low, perfect timing and with a pretty good punching power was the way marquez knocked him out

[Zano-24]

it's you that dont know **** calling marquez a big puncher...power was never one of his assets..altho he's not feaheristed either , he was never a BIG puncher ..last night change that for some reason..if you trully knew what youre talking about , you would know this...

What happened to Manny was a combination of a lot of things... A perfect counter right hand, Manny walking right into that counter punch, Manny hands being down, Manny not seeing the punch at all and Marquez having full volume and timing with perfect accuracy... That is why he got KO like that. That punch rattled his brain and shut off his lights. It can happen to anyone. Just look at Martinez vs Williams. In the first fight Williams took everything Sergio threw at him but in the 2nd fight Williams was hit with a perfect shot he never saw coming and it knocked him smooth out. The factor here is that Manny was not prepared at all for that kind of shot.

KO's like this can happen when you don't see the punch coming. Look how Mosley almost knocked Mayweather out with a punch he didn't see... Its boxing and it happens. Marquez is not a 1 punch KOer but that doesn't mean he doesn't have the power to knock you smooth out with a punch you never expected.

[T.Mag56]

It's boxing. Knockouts happen. The logic in saying that Marquez didn't knock him out "before" so he should never be able to do it is flawed and ridiculous. JMM's physique isn't that much bigger or better than in the previous (#3) fight, and this time he was clearly looking to go out on his shield and fight aggressively. He was looking to hurt Pacquiao, knowing that it's likely his only chance, after the first three decisions. Especially considering that Manny got robbed so blatantly against Tim Bradley, the judges weren't likely to be kind to JMM in another close match. He needed to hurt Manny.

JMM fought an open, aggressive and somewhat risky bout. He could've been put down several times, but he stuck with it and went for the big shot. He was waiting on the heavy righthand counters, trying to time Manny, and it paid off. It's very similar to Martinez/Williams 2, where Sergio just made the right choice, got the right punch and down went Williams. Their previous meeting was a very close 12 round bout. The knockout in the rematch was a surprise. But, that's boxing. It takes one hell of a punch to do it, and JMM threw it.

[titan m]

I'm convinced he used them, and I'm pretty sure all the apologist out there r gonna cry, but there's no way he did that

Look how huge Bradley is, and he doesn't have an increase in power... And don't sit there and try to convince me that this wasn't an INCREASE in power

I'd have to watch Pac gets stunned by someone like Devon Alexander before I'm convinced Pac just got old or something

Youre the one crying and who give a **** what you think anyway? A bunch of whining *****es who cant give Marquez the credit he deserves.

[revs1227]

i dont even consider this an excuses HE IS CLEARLY ON SOMETHING if you cant see that ur just plain dumb
but who the hell cares im sure pac, floyd all of them are

chemical warfare no joke

[r__mutt]

He's afraid the public will find out about the new developments in his nutritional program...that is, instead of piss, JMM is now drinking his own semen. That's right, got that protein and vitamin C. Who the fuck needs PEDs when you've got your own jizz amirite???

But nah seriously, the 24/7 footage (as hyped and cheesy as that **** is) made Marquez's new S&C workout look pretty legit. That combined with an undying desire to win decisively probably resulted in Saturday's outcome...

...that and jizz. Lots of jizz.

[JDezi4]

Youre the one crying and who give a **** what you think anyway? A bunch of whining *****es who cant give Marquez the credit he deserves.

Lol, NOOOO... Your the one that crying...

Who cares what I think? I don't even care what the answer to that question is, lol... Do u lose sleep at night wondering how many people give a shit what u have to say?? Lol, well not me

But I do enjoy how emotional u are

[JDezi4]

Two years is a short time now is it? Why couldn't he knock Pac out last fight! He had sudden increase, just as much from then to their first fight and Pac still won. It's called getting caught clean, which happens in boxing all the time.

This is one of the saddest things I've seen in recent years. Pac fans accusing someone of roiding because they can't come to grips with their favourite fighter simply getting caught with a huge shot.

Lol, oh... Its so sad... Ur comment didn't even make sense, but I guess since its so easy to just agree that everything in boxing is perfectly legit until one of your favorite fighters gets beat... Marquez loses the decision THE FIGHT WAS RIGGED...

U can actually go through my past posts if u lack that much of a life and see how little I like Pacquiao