If Pac Loses Will You Question His 147 Wins

[Japanese Boxing]

Good fighter like Morales, Barrera, Cotto, etc were flatfooted. in your pea size brain...while if someone keep moving backward to avoid being knocked out and waits for you to punch first otherwise he won't punch a single punch is good for you.

Lol Morales was already getting old before Pacquaio. He was winning so nobody cared. Don't pretend like Morales isn't a wartorn fighter.

[Miles Chopin]

Lol Morales was already getting old before Pacquaio. He was winning so nobody cared. Don't pretend like Morales isn't a wartorn fighter.

This made me remember Mannys face when he saw the Raheem vs Morales outcome.

[KickAzz]

JMM is just a bad style match up for Pac

[HeroBando]

I hate questions like this before a fight. A lot depends on how a fighter looks. What if Pacquiao loses it overnight? Or looks old? A loss here could tell us nothing.

Pacquiao's legacy is secure because of what he did in the lower weight classes. Those accomplishments made him a modern great. What he did after, beating Cotto specifically, in such an impressive manner, makes him an all-time great. That said, would a loss to Marquez weaken his 147lb resume? Aside from the Cotto bout, it isn't too impressive anyway. A De La Hoya who had bullet holes in his robe as he entered the ring. A Mosley who hadn't won a fight in eons. Clottey--not a has-been but sadly, a never will be. A loss to Bradley--and if you think he won then you probably think he lost to Marquez, which hurts him as well. Pacquiao's legacy is secure. The welterweight version, however, is nothing to write home about.

Bradley has nothing to do with Marquez. According to a huge majority, Pac Bradley was a dominant performance, about 117-111 on average on press row cards:

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Ma...imothy_Bradley

Among the experts above, 120 scored the bout for Pacquiao, 1 scored the bout a draw, and 1 scored the bout for Bradley.

JMM 3 was Pac's only non dominant performance since JMM 2, right, in mainstream opinion? It was still very close, just like 1 and 2, a textbook draw on press row cards:

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Ma..._(3rd_meeting)

Among the unofficial scorers above, 57 scored the bout for Marquez, 51 scored the bout for Pacquiao, and the remaining 36 scored the bout a draw.

[whirlwind]

Lol Morales was already getting old before Pacquaio. He was winning so nobody cared. Don't pretend like Morales isn't a wartorn fighter.

Pacquaio fought Morales when he was 28. Maybe you should explain yourself what do you mean by OLD? Pac has been with wars after wars more than Morales you can imagine and he is 34 year old this coming Dec. 17. Pacquaio must be a super old and super wartorn now in your standard, right ?

[joesaiditstrue]

Bradley has nothing to do with Marquez. According to a huge majority, Pac Bradley was a dominant performance, about 117-111 on average on press row cards:

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Ma...imothy_Bradley




JMM 3 was Pac's only non dominant performance since JMM 2, right, in mainstream opinion? It was still very close, just like 1 and 2, a textbook draw on press row cards:

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Ma..._(3rd_meeting)

I'm pretty sure Brian Kenny scored it for Bradley, and he knows his ****ing boxing. That fight was a difficult fight to score for me, because you had a typical "boxer" in Bradley who relies on technical skills, and you have Manny who's more of an ambush style, much more offensive oriented which can deceive the eyes into thinking he's winning rounds by simply throwing punches. Manny's accuracy that fight was abysmal, the compubox numbers were a joke (and this isn't the only fight where CompuBox was a sham, most of the fights where CompuBox is used have improper scoring of punches)

do people really think those judges were part of some sort of robbery scheme, or some conspiracy against Pacquiao? lol

[Juof]

The wins get questioned all the time with the draining and such i'm just surprised that MUSCLEQUEZ has put more of a beating on PAC than anyone at the 147 limit. This shows the true skills of musclequez

[HeroBando]

I'm pretty sure Brian Kenny scored it for Bradley, and he knows his ****ing boxing. That fight was a difficult fight to score for me, because you had a typical "boxer" in Bradley who relies on technical skills, and you have Manny who's more of an ambush style, much more offensive oriented which can deceive the eyes into thinking he's winning rounds by simply throwing punches. Manny's accuracy that fight was abysmal, the compubox numbers were a joke (and this isn't the only fight where CompuBox was a sham, most of the fights where CompuBox is used have improper scoring of punches)

do people really think those judges were part of some sort of robbery scheme, or some conspiracy against Pacquiao? lol

And 120 other experts scored it for Pac, mostly really wide. A fair number of 118-110 and wider. None of these guys watching compubox or listening to hbo. It's pretty much been rubberstamped as a robbery, it's pointless to fight it. Especially using a "that kind of thing wouldn't happen in boxing" defense.

[joesaiditstrue]

And 120 other experts scored it for Pac, mostly really wide. A fair number of 118-110 and wider. None of these guys watching compubox or listening to hbo. It's pretty much been rubberstamped as a robbery, it's pointless to fight it. Especially using a "that kind of thing wouldn't happen in boxing" defense.

What would lead anybody to believe reputable judges would rob the cash-fighter? It doesn't make sense, absolutely nonsense IMO.

[Dr Rumack]

What would lead anybody to believe reputable judges would rob the cash-fighter? It doesn't make sense, absolutely nonsense IMO.

I think the argument would be that Manny's contract with Top Rank was coming to an end and therefore would be up for re-negotiation in the months following the fight. Therefore it would have been in Arum's interest to weaken Manny's negotiating position. Tinfoil hat stuff of course but nevertheless plausible given the influence promoters can have over judges.

The counter-argument is that Arum would have been almost certain of renewing that contract in any case and it would only have hurt his own future earnings to have Manny take a loss.

Who knows really. Personally I think the judges scores were fair, but it was undeniably strange that the big name fighter came out the wrong side of such a close fight.