Black Boxing

[VERSION1 (V1)]

I wasnt injecting race into this argument just stating fact. I could give a **** less what a persons color is. All I know is immigrants who came to this country in the past IN GENERAL had alot more respect for this country itself. Please save all the dramatic bs about 3/5 for someone else. Immigrants of yesteryear would attempt to assimilate to the culture and forbade their children to speak the native tongue on the streets, only for the home. Thats called respect. Also many European immigrants gave up high paying jobs and property to come here and start with nothing and theywere still grateful. Slavery happened long before you and I were here. If thats you in your avatar with your blue eyes chances are you may have some ancestors here who enslaved people. My people didnt even get to this country until the early 1900's!!

when black fighter still could not fight for a title be in could not us the same bathroom as white fighter

[Moschino045]

Why is that every single white fighter whether from the United States or Europe no matter how good is always down played. And other fights even racist ones who associate themselves with figueres such as Malcom X are depicted as heroes.

If you watch boxing from the standpoint of a non-racist its clear that there is a bias towards blacks in boxing. Everybody remembers Floyd Patterson but Ingmarr Johansson (as an example) who was World Heavyweight Champion and defeated Floyd Patterson is hardly remembered by anybody.

Another point is every single white fighter who is a legitimate contender and happens to be white is always adressed as "white hype or hope." A title which downgrades there actual ability and accomplishments.

Its not like that in britain, IMO white fighters are always overrated in britain becos its all white guys who sit on their butts & report boxing & so they can naturally relate to fellow whites..kind of thing.

[VERSION1 (V1)]

No kidding .. When my ancestors came here shops had upsigns that said "Italian Americans need not apply". They didnt whine and bit*h they buckled down and took care of business.. I guess its easier to fail and blame someone else.

i bet they where not getting hung from trees

[aps214]

i bet they where not getting hung from trees

Neither were your ancestors getting hung from trees in NYC in the early 1900s.. Do you know how many white men died to abolish slavery during the Civil War? No it wasnt about states rights that was made up by the redneck South to try and justify their position. This country is far from perfect but its still the best place to live in the world. Dont persecute a whole country for the actions of a few redneck , inbred states!

[Mike Tyson Jr.]

Why is that every single white fighter whether from the United States or Europe no matter how good is always down played. And other fights even racist ones who associate themselves with figueres such as Malcom X are depicted as heroes.

If you watch boxing from the standpoint of a non-racist its clear that there is a bias towards blacks in boxing. Everybody remembers Floyd Patterson but Ingmarr Johansson (as an example) who was World Heavyweight Champion and defeated Floyd Patterson is hardly remembered by anybody.

Another point is every single white fighter who is a legitimate contender and happens to be white is always adressed as "white hype or hope." A title which downgrades there actual ability and accomplishments.

ok i see your point
so Tommy Morrison
should be in th hall
of fame.
LOL,oh hell no

[leff]

first off all because most off history`s beat fighters where black, secondly because many off the current whites boxer are from former soviet countries and americans dont like that.

[vB Martin]

Neither were your ancestors getting hung from trees in NYC in the early 1900s.. Do you know how many white men died to abolish slavery during the Civil War? No it wasnt about states rights that was made up by the redneck South to try and justify their position. This country is far from perfect but its still the best place to live in the world. Dont persecute a whole country for the actions of a few redneck , inbred states!

You have just got to love the slanted oversimplification of history they teach in this country.

White men did not join up en masse to free blacks from slavery. They were drafted or conscripted with the promise of instant citizeship as they stepped off the boats to come into this country. The north was not a great haven of ******* thinkers. Most people could have given 2 ****s about the plight of ******. Those few who joined without being drafted did so primarily because they believed in The Union and thought of the rebels as traitors to that.

Yes, white men died in the Civil War, but it wasn't just to free the ******. It wasn't even primarily to free the ******.

[aps214]

You have just got to love the slanted oversimplification of history they teach in this country.

White men did not join up en masse to free blacks from slavery. They were drafted or conscripted with the promise of instant citizeship as they stepped off the boats to come into this country. The north was not a great haven of ******* thinkers. Most people could have given 2 ****s about the plight of ******. Those few who joined without being drafted did so primarily because they believed in The Union and thought of the rebels as traitors to that.

Yes, white men died in the Civil War, but it wasn't just to free the ******. It wasn't even primarily to free the ******.

It wasn't about ******* elitism really? The last I checked this country was founded by Northeast ******* elitists. Wealthy ones too for that matter. George Washington had more money then Gates and Buffett relatively speaking of course for his time. So if the Civil War wasnt mostly fought over slavery then what was it fought over. Please dont tell me states rights unless you are from the South!

[psychopath]

You are right and as a whiteman I support your post. If you want acolades and respect they must be earned no matter what skin color. Blacks are simply better fighters than whites IN GENERAL!!

Exactly Bro, EXACTLY!

[vB Martin]

So if the Civil War wasnt mostly fought over slavery then what was it fought over.

I'll try to simplify as best I can.

Slavery was definitely an issue, but not in the simplified way that textbooks try to describe. There was no mass calling for the end of slavery in the South from Northern states, only for it to be contained in states that were already Slave States. Lincoln himself ran on this platform, even though his party was strongly abolotionist. He even went so far as to push through the Crittendon-Johnson Resolution of 1861 which stated that the purpose of the war was not to end slavery.

One of the root causes of South Carolina's move to secede was related to tariffs imposed by Washington on European goods. Europeans were suffering economically because of the constant wars on the continent and abroad, and in an effort to raise capital, tried to dump cheap goods on the US market. This led Congress, dominated by Northern states, to impose high tariffs on goods imported from Europe in order to protect the budding American industrialization.
The net effect of the tariffs was to increase the price for raw goods and cause Europeans to reduce imports of American goods, such as cotton. This meant that farmers in the South, who relied heavily on income from exported goods suffered a decrease in sales and an increase in the cost of the goods they needed to do business at the same time.

The reason that Congress, more specifically the House of Representitives, was dominated by the North was that immigrants came primarily to the North because the job market in the South was dominated by slavery, therefore held less opportunity. The increase in population meant increased representation in the House.

With the disproportionate immigration to the North, the people felt a need to protect future jobs on the frontiers by disallowing the addition of more Slave states. Kansas was initially a Slave territory until they were denied Statehood because of it. The laws in Kansas changed and they were set to be admitted as a Free State when the Civil War broke out.

The limitiation of admission of Slave States meant that as more Free States were admitted to The Union, the abolitionists would gain more and more strength in Congress, eventually dominating the Senate as well as the House. Southern politicians and landowners felt that this would eventually lead to the end of slavery, causing great disruption in the economic system in the South.
Faced with what they tought were unfair economic conditions as well as the threat of the eventual end of slavery several Southern states seceded in the wake of South Carolina's secession.

Another thing that your history book likely didn't teach you was that the Emancipation Proclomation did not free all ******. It only freed those in areas still under Confederate control as of January 1, 1863 and even named states, and portions of states, where slavery would still be legal. It was part punishment to Southern states, and part recruitment effort. The Union was losing more men than it was recruiting, the draft was causing riots because it only drafted the poor (they didn't even try to disguise the fact that you could buy your way out of the draft in those days, for a sum that was astronomical for the working class and poor, but barely noticable to the wealthy) and desertion was escalating. The hope was that it would incite the newly freed ****** to rise against their masters and create another front for the Confederacy to have to defend.

Anything else you need to know?