Objectively, which of Pac's catchweights were unfair?

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For those of you who are criticizing Manny's CWs need to have a look at what other fighters have done.

- Cotto asked Margarito to go down to 150-151
- Floyd asked several fighters to come up to 147 ....example Marquez (nearly 3 divisions) & Hatton. Floyd went over 2lbs with Marquez. Floyd fought several other fighters who were still relatively new to the WW division. That is, had just 1 or 2 fights at WW.
- Marquez: If you criticize Manny for asking fighters to come down then one needs to criticize Marquez as well for asking Floyd to come down to 144lbs and Manny to come down to 144lbs.
- Margarito: Fought Cotto and Manny at a CW ... either way, he was a cheat!
- Oscar asked Manny to come up nearly 3 divisions. Had Hopkins come down in weight and fought Forbes at a CW

other fighters:
- Ward had Dawson come down 7lbs even though during negotiations, Dawson asked if it could be made at 170lbs. Ward said no!
- Broner vs Escobedo. Broner came in 3.5lbs over the limit!


They all did it ............

Also, when reading posts, many Floyd fans are OK if Martinez comes down to 154lbs, maybe even 150lbs since Martinez said it (ie. was desperate to fight Floyd)! lol!

It's a Pac thread, so yeah Pac is open to criticism. Leave the butthurt at the door kiddo

- or make threads on those catchweight fights and I'd be happy to discuss those with you as well.

[hugh grant]

So why did Pac ask for it if it had no effect? .

Just cos Pac tried to get a little advantage (and little being the operative word) dont mean to say it did benefit him, as it cant be stressed enough it was a little advantage of 2lb.
Most think Pac would destroy Miguel regardless of the 2lb. Now Floyd is the master at getting an advantage if were on the subject, bloating JMM up 2 divisions and coming in over the limit, and style wise JMM wasnt going to do to well cos he isnt an offensive boxer so to close a gap while bloated like JMM was. Basically Floyd got just about as many advantages as its legal to get away with without going to prision for it. Floyd is the true master, and Pac bows down to not Floyd as a fighter, but for the audaciousness, that Pac could only ever dream of.

It's a Pac thread, so yeah Pac is open to criticism. - or make threads on those catchweight fights and I'd be happy to discuss those with you as well.

Who are you kidding? If there was a thread about was Floyd unfair to bloat JMM 2 divisions and come over the limit, or even weight drain Sergio down to LMW, youd be defending Floyd to the end so get over it.

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The issue I would have is that because catchweights were necessary to make them, they were cheapened as fights.

That's a little dramatic

[hugh grant]

The issue I would have is that because catchweights were necessary to make them, they were cheapened as fights.

Too many fighters and their fans use the fact that boxers are in different divisions to avoid fighting certain opponents and to avoid and dodge and duck.

At least with a CW a fight can get made, where otherwise they wouldnt cos of excuse of being in a different division. But Floyd didnt quite understand the concept and took that idea a step or 2 too far by bloating JMM up 2 disivisions...Floyd got a too little enthusiastic and excited. You are not supposed to be that blatant, Floyd isnt the most subtle of people at the best of times.

[andrew14]

De La Hoya - Pac jumped 2 weight classes for this fight. First time fighting at welter, coming off a lightweight fight. ODLH was the A side, he called the shots, so this was all on him. No issues with this one.

Cotto - Fighting for Cotto's welterweight title. Since Cotto weighed in the previous fight at 146, only 1 lb less at a 145 lb catchweight was supposedly fair. But if it's only 1 lb, why not just fight at the welterweight limit?

Margarito - Tony was a career welterweight. Plus, Pac didn't even come close to making the super welter limit. No issue with this one.

Marquez 3 - The catchweight was basically their real weights without having to cut weight and rehydrate. Pac is not a full fledged welter, more like a filled out junior welter who doesn't feel like cutting weight. He's the A side, so he can call the shots on the weight. No issue with this one.

So the only one I have issue with is the Cotto fight. Cotto had a history of trouble making weight for 147 as it is, plus Cotto was the champion. The others are no big deal for the reasons stated above.

ODLH= Its ODLH weight choice.

COtto=145 not 147. after a fight with ODLH on 147 why not 147 too with Cotto after a 146 with Clottey... a smaller man take a bigger fresher guy than ODLH thats most matter anyway if cotto weighs 147 on that it will be the same as 145 result.

Margarito= thats the max pacs can fight him 150.. anyway margs last fight is 147. Marg can make 147 that time.

Marquez= at any weight JMM is the kryptonite(creep-toon-fight) for pac.

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Just cos Pac tried to get a little advantage (and little being the operative word) dont mean to say it did benefit him, as it cant be stressed enough it was a little advantage of 2lb.
Most think Pac would destroy Miguel regardless of the 2lb. Now Floyd is the master at getting an advantage if were on the subject, bloating JMM up 2 divisions and coming in over the limit, and style wise JMM wasnt going to do to well cos he isnt an offensive boxer so to close a gap while bloated like JMM was. Basically Floyd got just about as many advantages as its legal to get away with without going to prision for it. Floyd is the true master, and Pac bows down to not Floyd as a fighter, but for the audaciousness, that Pac could only ever dream of.

Marquez wasn't bloated against Floyd. He was the same as he weighed fight night for his 130 lb and 135 lb fight.

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They are all unacceptable. PACfraud uses catch weights to gain advantages from opponents. It is simple to see if we are not turning a blind eye to it. Who can still argue this?

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They are all unacceptable. PACfraud uses catch weights to gain advantages from opponents. It is simple to see if we are not turning a blind eye to it. Who can still argue this?

Pacturd fans claim Pac is this natural lightweight eating 10 meals a day, yet he's fighting Marquez at welterweight a second time

[BennyST]

For those of you who are criticizing Manny's CWs need to have a look at what other fighters have done.

- Cotto asked Margarito to go down to 150-151
- Floyd asked several fighters to come up to 147 ....example Marquez (nearly 3 divisions) & Hatton. Floyd went over 2lbs with Marquez. Floyd fought several other fighters who were still relatively new to the WW division. That is, had just 1 or 2 fights at WW.
- Marquez: If you criticize Manny for asking fighters to come down then one needs to criticize Marquez as well for asking Floyd to come down to 144lbs and Manny to come down to 144lbs.
- Margarito: Fought Cotto and Manny at a CW ... either way, he was a cheat!
- Oscar asked Manny to come up nearly 3 divisions. Had Hopkins come down in weight and fought Forbes at a CW

other fighters:
- Ward had Dawson come down 7lbs even though during negotiations, Dawson asked if it could be made at 170lbs. Ward said no!
- Broner vs Escobedo. Broner came in 3.5lbs over the limit!


They all did it ............

Also, when reading posts, many Floyd fans are OK if Martinez comes down to 154lbs, maybe even 150lbs since Martinez said it (ie. was desperate to fight Floyd)! lol!

Exactly! If theyre all cheating you cant just single out Manny.

Well, admittedly, they all received as much **** for it as Pac did. None of these guys was given a pass for it, and they still don't.