without the head butts,elbows ,holding and hitting plus low blows,

[SWEETSCIENCE100]

how are you gonna blame the referee for berto's loss when that's berto's style of fighting anyway?

Please tell what fight you saw Berto in where he threw four punches after the bell, or where Berto deliberately thumbed His opponent in the eye, or where Berto threw low blows, and head butts for twelve rounds. Please tell me which fight. I'll Wait!

[thuggery]

Probably the dumbest thread I've read on a boxing fourm.

1. Berto initiated most if not all the clinches.
2. Berto literally had NO RESPONSE to Robert's come forward style, so he held
3. Berto is a known drug cheat, so to call Robert a cheater is hilarious
4. Robert couldn't hear the bell, and the incompetent ref didn't separate them
5. Berto's corner literally told him to stop clinching so much
6. As others mentioned, when Hopkins, Ward, Dawson, Alexander and other fighters do it, it's "crafty and slick"

Guerrero wins any way you look at it. Shit thread. Goodbye.

[El Angel]

berto held, hit behind the head, elbowed, hugged aswell. His own damn corner was yelling at berto and telling him to stop holding, and to stop wrapping his hands around guerrero.

At least someone else actually saw Berto's dirty tactics too. He deserved the warnings he got. Guerrero just should have got some too.

[El Angel]

Please tell what fight you saw Berto in where he threw four punches after the bell, or where Berto deliberately thumbed His opponent in the eye, or where Berto threw low blows, and head butts for twelve rounds. Please tell me which fight. I'll Wait!

You are actually saying Guerrero deliberately thumbed him? With an attached thumbs glove? Wow. I guess hitting behind the head, holding one arm and hitting with the other, and initiate the majority of clinches is "CLEAN" fighting.

[SWEETSCIENCE100]

Probably the dumbest thread I've read on a boxing fourm.

1. Berto initiated most if not all the clinches.
2. Berto literally had NO RESPONSE to Robert's come forward style, so he held
3. Berto is a known drug cheat, so to call Robert a cheater is hilarious
4. Robert couldn't hear the bell, and the incompetent ref didn't separate them
5. Berto's corner literally told him to stop clinching so much
6. As others mentioned, when Hopkins, Ward, Dawson, Alexander and other fighters do it, it's "crafty and slick"

Guerrero wins any way you look at it. Shit thread. Goodbye.

You just agreed with me and don't Even realize it, when You said the ref was incompetent ! That was my whole argument. I really cant blame the fighter for doing what he felt he had to do to win but i do fault the ref for allowing it.

[Carpe Diem]

This^^^^^^. And lets throw in that Bradley's head has been such an issue that the ref's even mention it in the locker room/pre-fight instructions, not to mention it's pretty much his calling card whenever a fight of his is approaching. Ward? Nah, he just knows how to effectively maul a fighter, and does it in a far more "cleaner" manner than B-Hop.

Personally for me the little tricks dont bother me(hitting on the thighs, holding and going to the body), thats just part of the game. But holding behind the head to let off a series of blows DOES bother me, and sending 3-5 good shots after the bell DOES bother me. Even low blowing to get yourself outta trouble bothers me. To me, thats just going too far.

Whats funny is I see alot of praise for Robert, and the nasty tactics he used last night(Berto was guilty of some himself, but Robert DID make it that kind of fight, and the ref somewhat allowed it), but when Floyd cold ****ed Victor for being a dirty mvther****er, you coulda swore that Floyd had reveiled himself as the anti-Christ himself, from the posts on here. I find that odd.

Great post, Chief.

[oscar_angels091]

Probably the dumbest thread I've read on a boxing fourm.

1. Berto initiated most if not all the clinches.
2. Berto literally had NO RESPONSE to Robert's come forward style, so he held
3. Berto is a known drug cheat, so to call Robert a cheater is hilarious
4. Robert couldn't hear the bell, and the incompetent ref didn't separate them
5. Berto's corner literally told him to stop clinching so much
6. As others mentioned, when Hopkins, Ward, Dawson, Alexander and other fighters do it, it's "crafty and slick"

Guerrero wins any way you look at it. Shit thread. Goodbye.

i agree that he couldn't hear the bell, i was at the fight and was close to the ring and it was loud during those last 30 seconds, it was hard to hear the bell

[oscar_angels091]

and can someone show me this "intentional thumb" ppl are talking about

[thuggery]

and can someone show me this "intentional thumb" ppl are talking about

That's the thing, it wasn't an intentional thumb. They showed the replay of what happened and it was clearly from a punch. Berto fans are on damage control.

[el_mas_chingon]

Without the Holding Berto would of been KTFO, but he held on for dear life!