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  • Originally posted by Dr Rumack View Post
    USADA test for the T-E ratio, and then only employ CIR testing if it exceeds certain levels. That level is normally 4-1, but it might be 6-1 in Nevada because they have a higher threshold.
    It's 6:1 which, from my understanding from Conte/VADA, can be beaten by anyone; that's how VADA caught Peterson because there CIR went lower than that of USADA and "the commission".

    Point is, if USADA is testing with a ration (i.e 6:1) that's easily beaten by someone cheating, how can they catch someone who's floating under their radar; hence there's nothing to cover up if they never caught them in the first place.
    Last edited by BoxingGenius27; 11-19-2012, 06:52 PM.

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    • If this was some small time reporter than it would just be rumors

      But this is from arguably the more reputable boxing writer in the business

      And he said that he its gonna get worse

      This was just a taste, the real ether comes tomorrow

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      • Originally posted by BoxingGenius27 View Post
        It's 6:1 which, from my understanding from Conte/VADA, can be beaten by anyone; that's how VADA caught Peterson because there CIR went lower than that of USADA and "the commission".

        Point is, if USADA is testing with a ration (i.e 6:1) that's easily beaten by someone cheating, how can they catch someone who's floating under their radar; hence there's nothing to cover up if they never caught them in the first place.
        USADA does not do 6:1. As much as Conte hates USADA because of how they brought him and BALCO down, I doubt Conte is wild enough to say USADA does 6:1. 6:1 is the Nevada Commission.

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        • What's this putting his reputation on the line stuff about? Hauser hasn't really said anything new that isn't out on the internet already other than the thing about the settlement. I can't even tell what the point of his article is yet. It's just a summary of the drug events this past year. People seem to be jumping the gun over nothing. I don't see any "Shocking PED revelations."

          He hasn't accused Floyd of anything. He's just went over the Floyd controversy from earlier among other things. I get the feeling that he'll likely end up with with some weak conclusion about drug testing needing to be more transparent to avoid all of this. I'll wait till the second part.
          Last edited by DoktorSleepless; 11-19-2012, 07:09 PM.

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          • We need to know what he tested positive for. Things like sinus medication and Viagra (Miss Jackson) could make you come up positive in some cases.

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            • Originally posted by BoxingGenius27 View Post
              It's 6:1 which, from my understanding from Conte/VADA, can be beaten by anyone; that's how VADA caught Peterson because there CIR went lower than that of USADA and "the commission".

              Point is, if USADA is testing with a ration (i.e 6:1) that's easily beaten by someone cheating, how can they catch someone who's floating under their radar; hence there's nothing to cover up if they never caught them in the first place.
              That's the general problem with the T-E ratio and why VADA are regarded more highly in this respect.

              Lance Armstrong and his team used to wear testosterone patches during the day, during the race stages, and provided they took them off before going to bed, their testosterone levels would be come in under the 4:1 ratio when they were tested in the morning.

              VADA's CIR testing immediately goes looking for synthetic testosterone, rather than looking for unusual levels. This is why some journalists were questioning Mayweather's decision to use USADA instead. They're cheaper but their tests are not as good.

              Then again, Floyd has supposedly never heard of TRT so maybe that's why the cheaper testing didn't bother him.

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              • Originally posted by IMDAZED View Post
                That usually means he should have declined ages ago, like his contemporaries Barrera and Morales.


                for your education and information.

                They are not contemporaries

                if they are that means they fought in their absolute prime right?

                Pac is more than 5 yrs younger than Barrera and almost 3 yrs younger than Morales.

                He 1st met them when both were at the prime age of 29

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                • Originally posted by BoxingGenius27 View Post
                  I'm just curious, what's the difference between this threads article and this one:

                  http://www.thisis50.com/profiles/blo...-pacquiao-with


                  One of Filipino boxing superstar Manny Pacquiao’s former sparring partners has admitted that he regularly injected the fighter with steroids ”in the locker room, in the upper outer quarter of his butt cheek!”

                  The man, a Filipino and former pro fighter, now fears the wrath of millions of his fellow countrymen, and as a result, his identity is protected. He claims to have worked with Pacquiao from ”his early years” up until Pacquiao’s 2010 fight with Miguel Cotto, and claims Pacman only began using steroids in anticipation of his 2009 fight with Oscar De La Hoya.

                  He also claims that Pacquiao has switched from using steroids, to now using a complex mixture of HGH (human growth hormone) and insulin, a combination that is virtually undetectable in post fight drug tests.

                  In an interview given in a top secret location in Las Vegas, the former Pacquiao associate said ”Manny was curious about using steroids for many years before he actually started. There is a lot of steroid use in the Philippines, and they are easy to get. But Manny hates needles! He hates ‘em.”

                  ”Manny was already on the way to becoming one of boxing’s greats when he got the call from De La Hoya and his people about a fight. Oscar wanted a rematch with Mayweather, buy Mayweather decided to retire. Someone came up with the idea for De La Hoya and Manny as a potential big fight. When I heard about it, I thought it was the dumbest thing I had ever heard.”

                  By the time De La Hoya came calling, Manny Pacquiao was already a twelve year veteran with a 47-3-2 record, and world titles at flyweight, super bantamweight, super featherweight and lightweight. He had been knocked cold twice as a flyweight in the 90′s, and also lost on points to Erik Morales in a bout at super featherweight in 2005, Pacquiao’s last defeat. Pacman had come out on top in grueling rivalries with Morales, Marco Antonio Barrera and Juan Manual Marquez.

                  In March 2008 he defeated Marquez for the WBC super featherweight title via a split decision, and three months later he battered David Diaz to defeat in nine rounds for the WBC lightweight title. From world flyweight champion to world title holder at lightweight in nine years is both an incredible and unequaled achievement, and also feasible and believable, considering Pacquiao’s speed, southpaw boxing ability and punching power. His sudden leap in 2008 to welterweight, and subsequently beyond, and his complete mastery of much bigger fighters, had opened the door to debate as to whether the Filipino may be using performance enhancing drugs.

                  ”Manny knew there was no way he could beat Oscar. But there was also no way he was gonna pass up the biggest fight, the biggest opportunity of his life. This was it, the big time.” said his former sparring partner.

                  ”Manny never looked at using drugs as cheating. It was just a way of evening things up a little. Oscar was naturally much bigger and stronger than Manny. Of course, on the night we were all shocked. He beat the living crap out of De La Hoya.”

                  Just seven months earlier De La Hoya had cruised to a win over contender Steve Forbes, Prior to that, in May 2007, he had come closer that anyone before to beating Floyd Mayweather Jr. Although 35, De La Hoya was a massive favorite to defeat Pacquiao. Instead his corner pulled him out after suffering a one sided pummeling for eight rounds.

                  ”After the fight, everyone was going crazy for Manny. We who were in the know about the steroids were just looking at each other holding our breath and hoping no one would start wondering how that could have happened.”

                  The sparring partner says he began regularly injecting Pacquiao with steroids in preparation for his subsequent fights with Ricky Hatton and Miguel Cotto.

                  ”Once a week, right in the locker room of the Wild Card (Gym). Manny would drop his shorts and clench his teeth, and I would give him a jab in the upper outer quarter of his butt cheek. He hated every shot.”

                  The contact also said that Pacquiao’s drugs were changed from regular steroids to a far less detectable combination of HGH and insulin after Floyd Mayweather began pointing the finger and making suggestions that Pacquiao’s almost super human ring achievements may not be all down to natural ability.

                  ”They got spooked when Floyd rumbled ‘em.” said the contact. ”That whole thing with the pre fight blood test during the negotiations for a Pacquiao v Mayweather fight last year was because Manny and his team knew they needed one month prior to the fight to guarantee 100% that they would be clean in all tests.”

                  The sparring partner fell out with the Pacquiao camp after the Cotto fight, but he bares his former boss no ill will, and wishes him success v Shane Mosley in Las Vegas on Saturday night. ”I hope he kicks Mosley’s butt on Saturday, and I know he will. Mosley used to be a big time juicer, as everyone knows. Maybe he’s back on it for this fight. He sure needs to be
                  !”


                  For those that try to put it on "50 cent's website", just realize that 50 also said Floyd has been ducking Pac. So chose your theory wisely.
                  simple. your article has an anonymous writer, an anonymous "injector" and was from an obscure website. i've read better writing for grade school students, honestly. no offense, but if you really needed help in finding the difference between hauser's article and this one, then it is very unlikely that you'll be capable of engaging in intelligent conversation.

                  hauser's article is one that will be met with threats, backlash, denials.

                  your article dissipates like a fart in the wind.

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                  • Originally posted by pnksntdead View Post
                    hauser's article is one that will be met with threats, backlash, denials.

                    your article dissipates like a fart in the wind.
                    True. I've no issue with people questioning the logic of Hauser's arguments, but it's funny to see so many outright attacks on his reputation as an instinctive response to his article.

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                    • Originally posted by THE ИATAS View Post
                      do you think his little girly grunts when he punches are a product of peds?
                      constipation due to twinkies..

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