Shocking PED revelations by T. Hauser. GBP, Mayweather, Quillin, Morales.

[ALG United]

That's idiotic. If you have WADA saying one thing and USADA saying another, there'd be no standard. And yes, USADA ultimately cleared Morales. Why do you continue to whine about this? Clenbuterol is a banned substance, exemptions are considered (stringently) when claims of tainted meat products from Mexico are involved. End of story. You're digging a hole to nowhere.

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...ay-sources-say

USADA held a teleconference with all involved parties, including NYSAC. If NYSAC felt it necessary to not sanction the fight at that time, they could have done so. Again, the end result would have been the same, USADA didn't feel there was conclusive evidence to flag Morales as a true positive. I didn't just read Hauser's article for the whole story. Maybe you should do the same.

If you haven't read the article completely here are some key points...

Dan Rafael of ESPN.com spoke with two sources and wrote, “The reason the fight has not been called off, according to one of the sources, is because Morales’s ‘A’ sample tested positive but the results of the ‘B’ sample test likely won’t be available until after the fight. ‘[USADA] said it could be a false positive,’ one of the sources with knowledge of the disclosure said. ‘But from what I understand, they won’t know until the test on the ‘B’ sample comes back. That probably won’t be until after the fight.’”

Then, on Friday (one day before the scheduled fight), Keith Idec revealed on BoxingScene.com that samples had been taken from Morales on at least three occasions. Final results from the samples taken on October 17th were not in yet. But both the “A” and “B” samples taken from Morales on October 3rd and October 10th had tested positive for Clenbuterol. In other words, Morales had tested positive for Clenbuterol four times.

So in essence, GBP along with USADA actually tricked NYSAC into sanctioning the fight, they found a loophole into the system by doing the last scheduled OSDT for Morales so close at fight night that the B sample will only be suppose to be available only after the fight... Very clever of them i should say...

[YDKSAB]

If you haven't read the article completely here are some key points...

Dan Rafael of ESPN.com spoke with two sources and wrote, “The reason the fight has not been called off, according to one of the sources, is because Morales’s ‘A’ sample tested positive but the results of the ‘B’ sample test likely won’t be available until after the fight. ‘[USADA] said it could be a false positive,’ one of the sources with knowledge of the disclosure said. ‘But from what I understand, they won’t know until the test on the ‘B’ sample comes back. That probably won’t be until after the fight.’”

Then, on Friday (one day before the scheduled fight), Keith Idec revealed on BoxingScene.com that samples had been taken from Morales on at least three occasions. Final results from the samples taken on October 17th were not in yet. But both the “A” and “B” samples taken from Morales on October 3rd and October 10th had tested positive for Clenbuterol. In other words, Morales had tested positive for Clenbuterol four times.

So in essence, GBP along with USADA actually tricked NYSAC into sanctioning the fight, they found a loophole into the system by doing the last scheduled OSDT for Morales so close at fight night that the B sample will only be suppose to be available only after the fight... Very clever of them i should say...

This is absolutely sickening to read. I am truly disgusted. A guy with PEDs in his system was allowed to fight with no repercussion. I wonder if the NYSAC is going to man up and do anything about it, or will they sit back and accept that sack of cash that randomly appeared upon them and not talk a word about it.

Golden Boy has lost respect.

[Weebler I]

Do the USADA not treat boxing seriously? I know boxing is basically a law unto itself at times but surely they have their own reputation to uphold?

Anyway, has Floyd replied to these rumors yet?

[Dr Rumack]

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...t-erik-morales

The tests that came back dirty -- the "A" samples and "B" samples -- were conducted at Morales' training camp in Mexico, one on Oct. 4 and one on Oct. 10, according to a source with knowledge of the testing schedule. Morales told people at Golden Boy, his promoter, that the reason for the positive test was because he ate tainted meat, a Golden Boy staffer told ESPN.com. There was a high-profile case recently where many members of the Mexican national soccer team tested positive for clenbuterol after eating tainted meat.

A third test conducted on Morales on Wednesday in New York came back negative, the Golden Boy source told ESPN.com

How is this still hard for anyone to understand? His samples from training camp in Mexico came back positive but his final test while in the US came back clean. Ultimately, in light of the 2011 incident, USADA made the final call to not flag him as positive. NYSAC sanctioned the fight, and it went on. You keep flapping about the B sample and I keep telling you USADA wasn't ready to flag him as positive from those tests because of the issue concerning tainted Mexican meat.

Yes we already know that. You're the one that's claiming the second test was 'conflicted', when there was no conflict. Morales had traces of clenbuterol in his system, and the WADA code states that there are no acceptable levels of this substance for an athlete. If it's present, it's a failed drugs test.

Now you don't seem to have read the thread, because the point that's been made repeatedly is that the failure of USADA to notify the commission demonstrates that they are making qualitative judgements as to the nature of failed tests. They, or Golden Boy, have become the judges, when USADA are supposed to be there to test, and Golden Boy are supposed to be there to sign the cheques.

The flow of information is dramatically different to what one expects in transparent PED testing. And it throws open the possibility that USADA have in the past also appointed themselves both tester and adjudicator in the case of drug testing in boxing. From the well documented comments of Richard Schaefer, control over this flow of information seems too be the primary reason USADA have replaced VADA as Golden Boy's tester of choice.

If USADA have decided that clenbuterol, a substance for which there are no acceptable levels is not sufficient grounds to notify the NYSAC, then what else have they ignored? What other 'exceptional circumstances' have led them to ignore positive results?

This is what we need to know, and I hope we do find out. Even if Mayweather fans seem frantic for the whole thing to just go away.

[Dr Rumack]

If you haven't read the article completely here are some key points...

Dan Rafael of ESPN.com spoke with two sources and wrote, “The reason the fight has not been called off, according to one of the sources, is because Morales’s ‘A’ sample tested positive but the results of the ‘B’ sample test likely won’t be available until after the fight. ‘[USADA] said it could be a false positive,’ one of the sources with knowledge of the disclosure said. ‘But from what I understand, they won’t know until the test on the ‘B’ sample comes back. That probably won’t be until after the fight.’”

Then, on Friday (one day before the scheduled fight), Keith Idec revealed on BoxingScene.com that samples had been taken from Morales on at least three occasions. Final results from the samples taken on October 17th were not in yet. But both the “A” and “B” samples taken from Morales on October 3rd and October 10th had tested positive for Clenbuterol. In other words, Morales had tested positive for Clenbuterol four times.

So in essence, GBP along with USADA actually tricked NYSAC into sanctioning the fight, they found a loophole into the system by doing the last scheduled OSDT for Morales so close at fight night that the B sample will only be suppose to be available only after the fight... Very clever of them i should say...

Which is the problem when the promoter is the one that's in the know, rather than the governing body overseeing the event.

Although apparently some people here have trouble seeing that conflict of interest.

[ALG United]

No, Hauser discusses Chavez's positive test for Furosemide as well.

No mention of TR or Arum.

Then there’s the case of Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. Following his November 14, 2009 fight against Troy Rowland in Las Vegas, Chavez tested positive for Furosemide (a diuretic and steroid-masking agent). He was fined $10,000 by the Nevada State Athletic Commission and suspended for seven months. Four of his next six bouts were in Texas, one in California, and one in Mexico.

But in 2012 with the Martinez bout it was only Marijuana...

TR was never mentioned because TR didn't help Chavez at all in concealing his dirty blood test...

[josenoway]

No **** sherlock, but WADA itself made a qualitative judgement and exempted a group of Mexican soccer players who tested positive for Clen back in 2011 due to their claims of tainted Mexican meat.

They gave Alberto Contador no such slack when he tried to raise the same claim about meat in Spain. They slapped him as positive and he was stripped of his 2010 Tour title.

USADA treated the Morales as such, and not as an open-and-shut case.

Yes we already know that. You're the one that's claiming the second test was 'conflicted', when there was no conflict. Morales had traces of clenbuterol in his system, and the WADA code states that there are no acceptable levels of this substance for an athlete. If it's present, it's a failed drugs test.

Now you don't seem to have read the thread, because the point that's been made repeatedly is that the failure of USADA to notify the commission demonstrates that they are making qualitative judgements as to the nature of failed tests. They, or Golden Boy, have become the judges, when USADA are supposed to be there to test, and Golden Boy are supposed to be there to sign the cheques.

The flow of information is dramatically different to what one expects in transparent PED testing. And it throws open the possibility that USADA have in the past also appointed themselves both tester and adjudicator in the case of drug testing in boxing. From the well documented comments of Richard Schaefer, control over this flow of information seems too be the primary reason USADA have replaced VADA as Golden Boy's tester of choice.

If USADA have decided that clenbuterol, a substance for which there are no acceptable levels is not sufficient grounds to notify the NYSAC, then what else have they ignored? What other 'exceptional circumstances' have led them to ignore positive results?

This is what we need to know, and I hope we do find out. Even if Mayweather fans seem frantic for the whole thing to just go away.

[Dr Rumack]

Do the USADA not treat boxing seriously? I know boxing is basically a law unto itself at times but surely they have their own reputation to uphold?

There are always fine details to be decided upon, and in boxing there's plenty of room for discretion as there are no pre-existing standards worth talking about.

If USADA find a guy is juiced to the gills then they'll act on it as they would in any other sport.

But say a guy has a TUE for TRT, and tests positive for synthetic testosterone. Well, the guy has a TUE, so that's an exceptional circumstance. And since they're as relaxed in informing the commission as they are diligent in informing the promoter, there's probably room there for something like a testosterone pellet to be let slide.

[josenoway]

NO, TR was never mentioned because Hauser is a paid TR shill.

Then there’s the case of Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. Following his November 14, 2009 fight against Troy Rowland in Las Vegas, Chavez tested positive for Furosemide (a diuretic and steroid-masking agent). He was fined $10,000 by the Nevada State Athletic Commission and suspended for seven months. Four of his next six bouts were in Texas, one in California, and one in Mexico.

But in 2012 with the Martinez bout it was only Marijuana...

TR was never mentioned because TR didn't help Chavez at all in concealing his dirty blood test...

[pasawayako]

The guy writing the article is extremely reliable and believable.

Because it shocks you Mayweather cheats, doesn't make it unbelievable.

very 101% true.