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Originally posted by Tom Cruise View PostTimes change, if boxing in the US wants to compete in a more competitive market then it needs to adapt or risk being sidelined. Why are boxing fans ok with just saying how well NBA/NFL have done without acknowledging the failures of their own sport?
You need more than just a 'Tyson' now. You also need 2-3 good American fighters AND another ATG Talent to build rivalries off of.
You need someone who can also capture the mainstream with his personality.
The 60's-90's still had boxing as a focal point because the champions honestly did appeal to the masses.
Even Rid**** Bowe had a 2-3 year window where his name was on par with NBA Superstars.
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The popularity of football and basketball in the U.S combined with the fact that people in the U.S are more exposed to basketball and football does play a big role in the U.S having a weak American heavyweight era..
But another reason is that a lot of American heavies lack discipline. Example:Hasim Rahman is 6`2 but would sometimes come in weighing as high as 260`s or 270`s. Chris Arreola is 6`3 and sometimes come in weighing as high as 260`s.Mcline 6`6 but would come in weighing as high as 280`s.
How do you cut the ring off when fighting taller slimmer fighters that move on you when your carrying a giant belly which makes you slower and effects your stamina?
Another reason for a weak American heavyweight era is that most of these American heavyweights have terrible trainers.American heavies should have tried to get certain trainers who train fighters in the lower weight classes like Mayweather Senior,****m Richardson.So that way these American Heavies can use some of the technique that boxers from the lower weight classes use.
One example is Steve Cunningham who now fights at heavyweight and whose trained by ****m Richardson.Steve Cunnigham uses a lot of old school defensive techniques which worked well against Thomaz Adamek and i felt Cunningham won that fight.
Another example is prime James Toney at heavyweight.He was able to outbox a much bigger john Ruiz who was underated in the skills department.Yeah i know Toney was on roids but roids don`t make you more skilled and the Roids did not improve Toneys conditioning in that fight.Both Toney and Ruiz took the fight on short notice so they did`nt have a lot of time to train and they both got tired fast in their fight against eachother.
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Originally posted by boxingfeind View PostThe popularity of football and basketball in the U.S combined with the fact that people in the U.S are more exposed to basketball and football does play a big role in the U.S having a weak American heavyweight era..
But another reason is that a lot of American heavies lack discipline. Example:Hasim Rahman is 6`2 but would sometimes come in weighing as high as 260`s or 270`s. Chris Arreola is 6`3 and sometimes come in weighing as high as 260`s.Mcline 6`6 but would come in weighing as high as 280`s.
How do you cut the ring off when fighting taller slimmer fighters that move on you when your carrying a giant belly which makes you slower and effects your stamina?
Another reason for a weak American heavyweight era is that most of these American heavyweights have terrible trainers.American heavies should have tried to get certain trainers who train fighters in the lower weight classes like Mayweather Senior,****m Richardson.So that way these American Heavies can use some of the technique that boxers from the lower weight classes use.
One example is Steve Cunningham who now fights at heavyweight and whose trained by ****m Richardson.Steve Cunnigham uses a lot of old school defensive techniques which worked well against Thomaz Adamek and i felt Cunningham won that fight.
Another example is prime James Toney at heavyweight.He was able to outbox a much bigger john Ruiz who was underated in the skills department.Yeah i know Toney was on roids but roids don`t make you more skilled and the Roids did not improve Toneys conditioning in that fight.Both Toney and Ruiz took the fight on short notice so they did`nt have a lot of time to train and they both got tired fast in their fight against eachother.
Arreloa is one fat person.
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Originally posted by Skittlez View PostI think it is very hard now to get boxing back as a mainstream sport in the USA.
You need more than just a 'Tyson' now. You also need 2-3 good American fighters AND another ATG Talent to build rivalries off of.
You need someone who can also capture the mainstream with his personality.
The 60's-90's still had boxing as a focal point because the champions honestly did appeal to the masses.
Even Rid**** Bowe had a 2-3 year window where his name was on par with NBA Superstars.
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Originally posted by croz View PostWe need more good cards on network TV, and that's really all there is to it. Boxing has been getting solid ratings for lower tier boxing matches in a horrible timeslot. The 3-4 am slot is horrible and often gets ratings in the 500k range and is lucky to top 1 million. Snowboarding in the previous slot to Adamek-Cunningham pulled 500k viewers. Adamek-Cunningham managed to reach a peek of 3.4 million people. Santa Cruz vs Guevera averaged 1.8 million. Those are superb numbers for their time. If they took only a small handful of HBO/showtime boxers and put them on network TV, especially in a primetime slot, boxing would compete and probably beat the NFL. Even a good Maidana fight would top average over 3.4 million. Someone like Canelo, Chavez Jr, Cotto even Martinez (since he was on PPV) could pull monstrous ratings on TV. What these network ratings show us is that the market for boxing is clearly still there.
Putting Adamek is a good start.
I honestly think it's all about the network TV'S in each country.
If they had put say ... Martinez vs Chavez Jr on ABC.
I think it will equal to NBA Playoff ratings.. (First round at least)
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All I have to say on the subject is; look at the physiques of the heavyweight fighters from America in this era; they're pathetic. Small. Fat. Small and fat. Even bum contenders in the 70s, 80s, and early 90s were big men in solid shape.
Now look at our athletes in NFL/NBA: They're the best they've ever been in history. Bigger, stronger, breaking new records all the time.
Athletes, boxers especially, come from poverty. These days NBA and NFL are the two routes kids take to get out of the hood. No one is risking their gifts on boxing.
People can tell themselves whatever they want, though.
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Originally posted by HaglerwinsQuote:
Originally Posted by SCtrojansbaby
The football players/heavyweight boxer is without a doubt the dumbest theory in all of sports.
Football players have NO STAMINA they can't box 12 rounds
Brandon Jacobs 2x Superbowl winning Running Back for the New York Giants.
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Jacobs went 35-2 as an amateur heavyweight, twice winning the state AAU championship. He loved boxing but eventually turned to football due it to its college scholarship possibilities.
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Originally posted by ColdCa$hCanelo View Postwhat did Jorge Luis Gonzalez do as a pro after a stellar amateur background?
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He turned pro, that's what happened.
You missed the point completely, Jacobs was a great amateur that chose football over boxing, same thing nearly happened to Lennox Lewis as well.
Btw, what did Floyd Mayweather do after a stellar amateur background?
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Originally posted by CutthroatQuote:
Originally Posted by ColdCa$hCanelo
what did Jorge Luis Gonzalez do as a pro after a stellar amateur background?
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He turned pro, that's what happened.
You missed the point completely, Jacobs was a great amateur that chose football over boxing, same thing nearly happened to Lennox Lewisnas well.
Btw, what did Floyd Mayweather do after a stellar amateur background?
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