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  • Boxing Announcer
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    Has Hbo Crossed The Line?

    HBO’s New Year’s Resolution…More Class!By: George M. Phillips

    Before this editorial begins, I want to make it absolutely clear that the opinions expressed below are of my own doing and not those of any publisher who may run this article.

    Over the years all of us fans of the sweet science have herd the following statements, “Boxing has a black eye”, “The sport is tainted”. Events that have occurred since The Marquess of Queensberry Rules were enacted based on the book written by John Graham Chambers in 1865 and the first fight that took place under those rules was August 29, 1885 when John L. Sullivan defended his Heavyweight Title against Dominick McCaffery with a sixth round knockout.

    Some of the events that have given the sport a black eye include: “With a little help of friends”, 1912
    Two great fighters, Ad Wolgast and Mexican Joe Rivers who put up this most unusual fight have been forgotten by many boxing people, but the fight between them probably never will. Wolgast was the reigning lighweight champion of the time and Rivers challenged him for the title. The fight went to the thirteenth round, where the fighters threw simultaneous punches. Rivers landed straight on Wolgast’s chin, while the champion fired a clear low blow. The result was like the ending scheme from the Rocky II movie where the referee, in this fight Jackie Welsh, started to count on both of the fighters. However, when he reached the count of four, he duck down and literally picked Wolgast up from the canvas and held him up, while with his other hand he continued to count Rivers out! The round ended as the count was still going (at those days the bell saved the fighter in any round) but Welsh nevertheless completed the count, shouted to the officials that Wolgast won by knockout and then stormed out of the ring. There are still discussion whether or not Welsh was bribed that night. His actions definitely support the opinion that he was, but it also might have been a case of him losing his head. Welsh was known as an honest man, and it might be he just didn’t see the low blow and thusly he gave the advantage of the situation for the champion.

    The Jack Dempsey vs Gene Tunney “The Long Count” fight of 1926, Muhammad Ali vs Sonny Liston “The Phantom Punch” of 1965, “No Mas” by Roberto Duran in 1980, and the “Mike Tyson bite of Evander Holyfield in 1997 to name a few. Up until now most of the events that caused boxing to have this reputation occurred inside the ring or by promoters and managers.

    On December 10, 2005 HBO Sports joined that embarrassing list. Until now the majority of the blows that caused damage to the sweet science were made inside the ring by fighters or outside the ring by promoters and managers. Typically the media only reported these events not partook in them. HBO’s telecasts of World Championship Boxing almost crossed the line on a few occasions with some off the cuff and sometimes degrading remarks directed toward some of the participants in various fights. Although HBO does not recognize and of the world titles except the Ring Magazine, WBC, WBA, and IBF titles, there are many fighters that have captured titles for the WBO and IBO that have paid the price for many years to become a champion. It is not necessary to degrade the fighter and/or his title on live TV. If Roy Jones would come back and in the WBO Light Heavyweight Title, I wonder if HBO would put him down to the millions of boxing fans tuned in for that fight. Over the years, there have been many mis-match fights and also tune-up bouts for current and/or former champions against lesser known opponents. HBO always seems to never give the opponent a chance at winning and has basically pre-determined the outcome of the fight before the leather is even laced up. It is amazing however, when a underdog pulls off a win as in the 1990 Douglass vs Tyson fight in Took where Tyson suffered a 10th round knockout that Larry Merchant was all up in his grill for a post fight interview. Merchant also displays a lack of class when interviewing fighters as he never lets the fighter say hello to his family on TV and seemingly never let’s them get a word in edge wise. HBO fell to the bottom of the barrel on December 10, 2005 while broadcasting the Winky Wright vs Sam Solomon fight. Solomon is a seasoned veteran with an impressive win/loss record. Wright was using this fight as a tune-up fight. Solomon, from the land down under, came into the ring with a smile that could light up the Las Vegas Strip. At that moment HBO began to heckle Solomon for his energy. Why would you make fun of a man that enjoys his job and is thankful for the spotlight he has been given. The world needs more people smiling when they begin their respective occupations. Solomon did bring an un-orthodox style to the ring which was critized for 12 rounds. Why? Is there a universal boxing style? If you are going to critize Solomon’s style then why not critize the style of Ali with the rope-a-dope, or Ray Leonard who basically only fought 10 seconds per round. Why not critize Naseem Hamed or may others who have fought untraditionally but have had success. Did they not realize that Solomon is rated # 1 in the world by the IBF. Solomon brought a class act into the ring. He loves his wife, his job and country. Why should that be critized? When the decision was announced for Wright the fans at the Mandalay Bay cheered for Solomon and booed Wright. Wright even stated that he was a great fighter. Wright actually looked like he had been in a fight. Solomon gave him more punishment than Tito Trinidad. Until the HBO crew goes into the ring and fights 12 rounds and throws over 1,200 punches they should keep their comments to themselves. The sports world needs more Sam Solomon’s. If I was Bob Costas , who is by far the classiest broadcaster in the business, I would be embarrassed to be affiliated with HBO. They need to clean up their act of stop broadcasting fights.
  • Dirt E Gomez
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    Hah. How did I know this was going to go into Wright/Solimon? What a joke. There have been numerous faults and random occurences in boxing that have been bad for the sport... Winky Wright winning a correct decision of Sam Solimon is not one of them. The announcers were a little hard on Solimon, as they are of most fighters who are not favored to win. It's easier to say, "we were right" as opposed to "we were wrong about...". A little more professionalism at times would always be nice... however, I'd rather have animated sports casters with opinions instead of robots who only know how to report obvious facts.

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    • BadMagick
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      Originally posted by Dirt E Gomez
      Hah. How did I know this was going to go into Wright/Solimon? What a joke. There have been numerous faults and random occurences in boxing that have been bad for the sport... Winky Wright winning a correct decision of Sam Solimon is not one of them. The announcers were a little hard on Solimon, as they are of most fighters who are not favored to win. It's easier to say, "we were right" as opposed to "we were wrong about...". A little more professionalism at times would always be nice... however, I'd rather have animated sports casters with opinions instead of robots who only know how to report obvious facts.
      Did you bother to actually read what was said? He didn't complain about the decision, but the way the commentators responded to Solimon throughout the fight. I haven't seen it, so I can't comment on it, but I don't think that broadcasters should be putting down guys who box on TV, no matter how bad they are.

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      • Dirt E Gomez
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        Originally posted by BadMagick
        Did you bother to actually read what was said? He didn't complain about the decision, but the way the commentators responded to Solimon throughout the fight. I haven't seen it, so I can't comment on it, but I don't think that broadcasters should be putting down guys who box on TV, no matter how bad they are.
        I was defending the HBO commentators (I think that's a first), more than putting down his article. My problem is the fact that he was using this fight as like the end all fights. This wasn't a big deal. It's making something out of virtually nothing. HBO has done much worse comentating on many more fights, and if this is the catylist to set something off I'll laugh.

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        • BadMagick
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          Originally posted by Dirt E Gomez
          I was defending the HBO commentators (I think that's a first), more than putting down his article. My problem is the fact that he was using this fight as like the end all fights. This wasn't a big deal. It's making something out of virtually nothing. HBO has done much worse comentating on many more fights, and if this is the catylist to set something off I'll laugh.

          "Hah. How did I know this was going to go into Wright/Solimon? What a joke. There have been numerous faults and random occurences in boxing that have been bad for the sport... Winky Wright winning a correct decision of Sam Solimon is not one of them. The announcers were a little hard on Solimon, as they are of most fighters who are not favored to win. It's easier to say, "we were right" as opposed to "we were wrong about...". A little more professionalism at times would always be nice... however, I'd rather have animated sports casters with opinions instead of robots who only know how to report obvious facts."

          There's what you wrote before. Do you see how the main focus on the paragraph is that Winky won a correct decision, and not that the commentators were hard on him?

          It wasn't just about that fight, either. It talked about tons of fights, and only used this as a more recent example. The commentators on HBO are, in general, *******s. I've watched several fights from HBO where they are bashing on one fighter, no matter who it is, and I've thought to myself "Where do these *******s get off ripping on this guy?"

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          • RiverCityMike
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            Originally posted by BadMagick
            Did you bother to actually read what was said? He didn't complain about the decision, but the way the commentators responded to Solimon throughout the fight. I haven't seen it, so I can't comment on it, but I don't think that broadcasters should be putting down guys who box on TV, no matter how bad they are.
            When I first started watching fights, as a young boy with my father, he often gave me hell about calling a guy a 'bum.' You guys might hear me throw it around some here, but my dad and magick are right--any man with the guts to get in there and give it his all whether he looks good doing it or not is no bum. (That's about how my dad would say it).

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            • borikua
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              "Merchant also displays a lack of class when interviewing fighters as he never lets the fighter say hello to his family on TV and seemingly never let’s them get a word in edge wise."

              I agree with this 100% that prick should show more respect for tha fighters...

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              • Dirt E Gomez
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                Originally posted by BadMagick
                There's what you wrote before. Do you see how the main focus on the paragraph is that Winky won a correct decision, and not that the commentators were hard on him?

                It wasn't just about that fight, either. It talked about tons of fights, and only used this as a more recent example. The commentators on HBO are, in general, *******s. I've watched several fights from HBO where they are bashing on one fighter, no matter who it is, and I've thought to myself "Where do these *******s get off ripping on this guy?"
                I understand what my focus was on, thank you for pointing it out to me again? I suppose I wasn't articulate enough... I was more pointing out the fact that the commentators (While as I said, being rather harsh at times) were ultimately correct. They believed wright to be winning, solimon to be throwing punches that delt no damage, and winky to be landing the much harder and more solid blows. I didn't bother commenting on the first half of the post because, discussing decisions or actions in fights that happened a decade ago... well.. that's only a 1 sided debate that he's on the proper side of.

                I'm with you though, don't let that be mistaken through my posts. I agree that the commentators on HBO, in particular Merchant, are pretty much gigantic douche bags. The only people I allow free reign to say what they want are other fighters who have been in the shoes of the people they are commentating on.

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                  Originally posted by borikua
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                  I agree with this 100% that prick should show more respect for tha fighters...

                  I agree. Also think that people on this site need to stop trash talking athletes. They trash talk the best of the best -- the ones we see on TV are the best of many who dont even make it to TV. Yet there are numerous posters who issue insults on the order of hundreds to various fighters. We need to put these posters into the ring with fighers they trash.

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                  • Truth
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                    HBO's commentary is a little controversial at times, but I like Lampley and Merchant for the most part.

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