Originally posted by SoggyLungs
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Surprise, surprise, Donaire continues to duck Rigo. .
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Last edited by garfios; 10-15-2012, 11:04 AM.
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Originally posted by crold1 View PostJohn has as strong a claim as anyone. Salido has JuanMa but he's also lost to some guys (like Cruz) who couldn't shine Jonn's shoes. John has soft shoed a lot of his reign but he's a very good fighter. I'd rather see Salido first for action, but John would be fine.
chris john is nobody, and he's done nothing. that he's even mentioned with top fighters is a joke.
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Originally posted by New England View Postchris john is nobody, and he's done nothing. that he's even mentioned with top fighters is a joke.
I get it though. A guy with his numbers who doesn't even try to unify his class and validate them is suck. His reign is better than Artur Grigorian and Sven Ottke. That's not saying much.
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Originally posted by crold1 View PostHis reign has gone south, and his biggest win I thought he lost (Marquez, though I know plenty I respect who liked the decision), but John has his share of quality wins and is a very good defensive boxer. He's past his best, but I don't think he's a joke at all.
he came to the states and got his face jacked up by rocky juarez, my friend. i scored the marquez fight for marquez as well. sh#t fight. i have not seen it in at least five years.
i'm wondering what he's done that makes his inclusion in a discussion of the best and most accomplished contemporary fighters at FW appropriate.
his last two fights were agaisnt guys i've never even heard of. prior to that it was yordan and saucedo, who are nobodies. saucedo never left argentina before or since. yordan got the sh#t beat out of him by caballero. his only win in the states was a MD in an 8 rounder, against a journeyman.
and prior to that you've got the juarez fights, which were in '09.
he's done nothing in the last few years, and he hasn't looked spectacular doing it. he's not a top fighter, man.
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Originally posted by New England View Posthe came to the states and got his face jacked up by rocky juarez, my friend. i scored the marquez fight for marquez as well. sh#t fight. i have not seen it in at least five years.
i'm wondering what he's done that makes his inclusion in a discussion of the best and most accomplished contemporary fighters at FW appropriate.
his last two fights were agaisnt guys i've never even heard of. prior to that it was yordan and saucedo, who are nobodies. saucedo never left argentina before or since. yordan got the sh#t beat out of him by caballero. his only win in the states was a MD in an 8 rounder, against a journeyman.
and prior to that you've got the juarez fights, which were in '09.
he's done nothing in the last few years, and he hasn't looked spectacular doing it. he's not a top fighter, man.
But...
This conversation is nuts. John ain't coming out of Indonesia for short money and Donaire don't draw to pay him. He's happy being King of Indonesia.
Leave him there.
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Originally posted by SoggyLungsnishioka was more deserving of a fight than rigo....
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Originally posted by New England View Posthe came to the states and got his face jacked up by rocky juarez, my friend. i scored the marquez fight for marquez as well. sh#t fight. i have not seen it in at least five years.
i'm wondering what he's done that makes his inclusion in a discussion of the best and most accomplished contemporary fighters at FW appropriate.
his last two fights were agaisnt guys i've never even heard of. prior to that it was yordan and saucedo, who are nobodies. saucedo never left argentina before or since. yordan got the sh#t beat out of him by caballero. his only win in the states was a MD in an 8 rounder, against a journeyman.
and prior to that you've got the juarez fights, which were in '09.
he's done nothing in the last few years, and he hasn't looked spectacular doing it. he's not a top fighter, man.
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Originally posted by Light_Speed View PostWorn down Marquez + Gonzalez >>>> anybody Donaire, Mares or Rigo beat at 122 and that's why Nishi was #1. That's how it works, rankings are based on resumes not who would beat who. You can say that Nishi was a weak #1 but you can't deny that he was #1.
No I don't think Nishi is better than Rigo but I don't think Cotto is better than Canelo either, I guess I should rank Cotto below him? I should also rank Broner above Demarco since I think he's gonna win. No need to fight the fights anymore, let's do rankings based on who you think is better.
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Man what are you talking about??
What kind of ducking is that when he just proved himself by knocking out the best super bantamweight who didn't lose for many years.
Rigondeaux is very talented and skilled and i would love to see that fight as well, but he just isn't a big name. Rigo should fight a world class fighter and win over some fans, before talking about Donaire.
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Originally posted by crold1 View PostI think the only answer is keep winning pretty easy. I agree with much of what you said, but I don't think that makes him not a top fighter. He can still go, if slowing, and is a skilled guy. What he's done the last couple years (barring Yordan who was a big fight in country so it made sense) stinks. It always stinks when a guy settles instead of tries to do something big. Like I said, I get the uugh factor. He's just not challenging himself. I'd still favor him over anyone with a belt right now at 26 and he's had some solid wins over the years.
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This conversation is nuts. John ain't coming out of Indonesia for short money and Donaire don't draw to pay him. He's happy being King of Indonesia.
Leave him there.
how much money is he really making in indonesia? i'd be interested to know how the finances of boxing work over there. is he getting big TV money? live gates? sponsorships, etc? is it really so much that they don't need american interest? and more appropriately, is it really so great that they make more over there?
he solicited the services and paychecks of american TV twice before (juarez fights, maybe i'm forgetting others as well.)
i'd guess that his people play it safe over there intentionally. i dont think for a second that an undefeated fighter with almost 50 fights is scared of anybody. john would fight over here. he already has. instead i think his people protect him over there, chugging away at decent money for almost zero risk, much the way felix sturm's career went.
if you've got a product that is the real deal you put him in the deep end and see if he can swim. you also entertain the offers that might come from america.
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