If you had the power, would you bring back 15 rounds ?

[UglyPug]

Here is a GREAT article about boxing deaths (compilation of statistics). There was a boxer named Manuel Vazquez who kept record of all deaths in boxing (including training). He passed it on in 1994, and it was continued to be tallied.


It does appear that is a slight correlation with ending the 15 round fight, and lack of deaths. . . But I have not taken the time to analyze them completely. This is also not considering other injurie s that could have been serious, but non-fatal. There also could have been more total fights in the decades in which 15 rounders were utilized.

ANyway, here they are. . Let me know what you guys think. . A lot of people argue the change to 12 round fights was for purely economical and monetary reasons: 12 round fights allowed more commercial breaks, etc.

http://ejmas.com/jcs/jcsframe.htm

[bojangles1987]

I would without a doubt welcome back 15 rounds.

It would be interesting to see how many self-proclaimed "throw back" fighters of today test their grit to what so many throw back fighters of yesteryear has already done.

We should list the fighters of today that COULDN'T hang in for 15 rounds...

There's maybe half a dozen fighters that I think could handle 15 rounds today. That's an easier, and shorter, list to make.

[bojangles1987]

Here is a GREAT article about boxing deaths (compilation of statistics). There was a boxer named Manuel Vazquez who kept record of all deaths in boxing (including training). He passed it on in 1994, and it was continued to be tallied.


It does appear that is a slight correlation with ending the 15 round fight, and lack of deaths. . . But I have not taken the time to analyze them completely. This is also not considering other injurie s that could have been serious, but non-fatal. There also could have been more total fights in the decades in which 15 rounders were utilized.

ANyway, here they are. . Let me know what you guys think. . A lot of people argue the change to 12 round fights was for purely economical and monetary reasons: 12 round fights allowed more commercial breaks, etc.



http://ejmas.com/jcs/jcsframe.htm

Just briefly checking some of that out, I'd attribute the lower fatalities more to less participation in the sport and the differences in fights nowadays than changing to 12 rounds. Fights in the decades where the death count is highest were brutal compared to now, and there were a lot more fighters.

[Capaedia]

No. For every Leonard-Hearns we'd have an absolutely horrible fight, and then some.

Same day weigh-ins, yes.

[daggum]

all title fights will soon be 10 rounds per al haymon's orders.

[UglyPug]

Just briefly checking some of that out, I'd attribute the lower fatalities more to less participation in the sport and the differences in fights nowadays than changing to 12 rounds. Fights in the decades where the death count is highest were brutal compared to now, and there were a lot more fighters.

Aye, I agree. The decade with the most deaths, the 1920's, there was so many more boxers, and more fights. I bet there's even a lot more deaths than those listed in the 1890's-1930's. Also you got medical advancement, safety procedures, training and nutrition advancements. . ANd I think same day weigh-ins contribute to more injuries, and deaths.

I do think that 15 rounders do pose more harm, though, even if there's no correlation between deaths/injuries, and 15 rounders. . THe possibility is still there.

It also seems like boxers might simply pace themselves more, and rather than provide 12 rounds with better two-way action, we'd get 15 rounds at a more measured pace.

There are arguments to be had both ways, though. I just wouldn't want to impose that extra risk of harm.

[UglyPug]

No. For every Leonard-Hearns we'd have an absolutely horrible fight, and then some.

Same day weigh-ins, yes.

I would argue even more strongly against same day weigh-ins. The reason being is that boxers would still try to suck as much weight as possible, and they'd be at a huge risk for brain injuries.

When you drain your body of fluids, it also effects the fluid that surrounds, and protects the brain.

Here's an analogy: Put an egg in an empty glass, and put an egg in a glass full of water. Shake the glass. . . Lol of course your brain is not anything like an egg, but the analogy is solid: With the fluids drained that serve as a coating, and protection between the brain, and the skull, you're at a greater risk for brain injury.

I know it's frustrating sometimes to see boxers rehydrate 20+ pounds between fights, but that's better than risking boxers health.

[T.Horton]

Yes I would.

red k sent.

I think I am good with 12 round fights for now. twelve round fights, even if somewhat dull, can keep a certain level of excitement about them still. If Pacquaio vs MAB 1 was 15 rounds I'd have fallen asleep in my beer.

[-Kev-]

Thats a straw man argument. Many fighters have died in the ring since then in 12 rounds fights.

Imagine, they're dying in 12 rounds fights. Why add three more.

Kim would have probably survived if the fight was only 12 rounds.

[-Kev-]

If I had the power to do such a thing, I will let the fighters decide. I would set up a huge "Fighters only" voting panel. All fighters who are licensed and recognized as professional boxers get to vote. The voting would last for a certain period of time, I would go in to it a little more and explain in further detail how I would organize the voting, but I am sure a lot of you get the point.

Basically no fans, no journalists, no promoters, just the fighters decide. If the voting is some how very close, like so close that it wouldn't be fair to choose one over the other, which I doubt it i'm pretty sure most fighters would pick to leave it at 12, then what I would do is make the fights 14 rounds with 1:30 seconds between rounds. So 2 rounds added, but also fighters get an extra 30 seconds to catch their breath.