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    #21
    Originally posted by BabyFaceAssasin
    Allow of the Filipinos I know support him, but what the hell did he do to his family?? I know he spoke out about not wanting to be under Pacquiao's shadow. That upset them cuz speaking against Pac is blasphemy...
    Idk the whole story behind it but something about he "disowned" his dad or something along those lines? Or something about he didn't wanna support them.

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    • liuj88
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      #22
      Originally posted by jsfd26
      Idk the whole story behind it but something about he "disowned" his dad or something along those lines? Or something about he didn't wanna support them.
      If I'm not mistaken, Nonito and his brother Glenn (also a professional boxer) have been trained in boxing by their father Nonito Sr. since they were children.The conflict with his family was caused by (1)his deciding to leave his father and hire Robert Garcia as his new trainer, and (2)his family supposedly disapproving of Nonito's then-girlfriend, and now wife, Rachel. What role Rachel played in Nonito's looking for a new trainer is unknown.

      There are people who claim that Nonito is not, and will never be, as popular as Pacquiao among Filipinos because he turned his back on his family (by hiring his own trainer).

      Whether Nonito was disowned by his father, I don't know. But I believe the whole family has reconciled, so I don't think Nonito's "disrespect" for his family is a really valid reason for his lack of fame relative to Pacquiao.

      I believe Pacquiao is simply much flashier in the ring, and much more accomplished. Also, Pacquiao has always lived in the Philippines, while Nonito and migrated to the US when he was in his early teens, so there's less of a bond between him and Filipinos.
      Last edited by liuj88; 10-05-2012, 12:06 AM.

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        #23
        Originally posted by liuj88
        If I'm not mistaken, Nonito and his brother Glenn (also a professional boxer) have been trained in boxing by their father Nonito Sr. since they were children.The conflict with his family was caused by (1)his deciding to leave his father and hire Robert Garcia as his new trainer, and (2)his family supposedly disapproving of Nonito's then-girlfriend, and now wife, Rachel. What role Rachel played in Nonito's looking for a new trainer is unknown.

        There are people who claim that Nonito is not, and will never be, as popular as Pacquiao among Filipinos because he disrespected his family (by hiring his own trainer).

        The whole family has supposedly reconciled, so I don't think the disrespect-for-family reason is really valid.
        There we go. I guess this is it right here. I didn't know the exact reason, just stuff I read here and there.

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          #24
          Originally posted by jsfd26
          Idk the whole story behind it but something about he "disowned" his dad or something along those lines? Or something about he didn't wanna support them.
          I should add that I don't really care about all the personal/family background issues, specially when a lot of it is pure speculation/rumormongering. I do believe that Nonito Donaire has more boxing talent than Pacquiao, and on that basis, should have more fan support.

          I've talked to many Filipinos who have never heard of Donaire, and admit to me that they follow boxing only because of Pacquiao. It's their loss, I think.

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            #25
            Originally posted by liuj88
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            Originally Posted by jsfd26

            Idk the whole story behind it but something about he "disowned" his dad or something along those lines? Or something about he didn't wanna support them.

            I should add that I don't really care about all the personal/family background issues, specially when a lot of it is pure speculation/rumormongering. I do believe that Nonito Donaire has more boxing talent than Pacquiao, and on that basis, should have more fan support.

            I've talked to many Filipinos who have never heard of Donaire, and admit to me that they follow boxing only because of Pacquiao. It's their loss, I think.
            But do you think he will make it to where Pacquiao has? I don't as I stated before. He may be more talented but not nearly as exciting as Pacquiao. Not once do I remember hearing a boo at a Pacquiao fight. Unless they boo'ed at the Clottey fight but I wouldn't remember that cause I was drunk off my mind.



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            • BabyFaceAssasin
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              #26
              Originally posted by liuj88
              If I'm not mistaken, Nonito and his brother Glenn (also a professional boxer) have been trained in boxing by their father Nonito Sr. since they were children.The conflict with his family was caused by (1)his deciding to leave his father and hire Robert Garcia as his new trainer, and (2)his family supposedly disapproving of Nonito's then-girlfriend, and now wife, Rachel. What role Rachel played in Nonito's looking for a new trainer is unknown.

              There are people who claim that Nonito is not, and will never be, as popular as Pacquiao among Filipinos because he turned his back on his family (by hiring his own trainer).

              Whether Nonito was disowned by his father, I don't know. But I believe the whole family has reconciled, so I don't think Nonito's "disrespect" for his family is a really valid reason for his lack of fame relative to Pacquiao.

              I believe Pacquiao is simply much flashier in the ring, and much more accomplished. Also, Pacquiao has always lived in the Philippines, while Nonito and migrated to the US when he was in his early teens, so there's less of a bond between him and Filipinos.
              Lol...damn that's drama right there. I think more filipinos have started following Boxing and Nonito has made a name for himself amongst both Filipinos and Boxing fans. I just expected more people to turn out for this.

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                #27
                Originally posted by jsfd26
                But do you think he will make it to where Pacquiao has? I don't as I stated before. He may be more talented but not nearly as exciting as Pacquiao. Not once do I remember hearing a boo at a Pacquiao fight. Unless they boo'ed at the Clottey fight but I wouldn't remember that cause I was drunk off my mind.



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                Will Donaire be as popular with as Pacquiao? Possibly, but only if he does/shows something really spectacular.

                My impression is that most Pacquiao fans are primarily just that--fans of Pacquiao--and not necessarily also fans of boxing. (And who can blame Filipinos for turning Pacquiao into an inspirational figure? He did rise from absolute poverty to gain worldwide fame, great fortune and political power.)

                Donaire, having left the Philippines in his early teens to move to the U.S., and not having as difficult a background as Pacquiao, is probably not as easy (for the casual Pacquiao fan) to identify/sympathize with and root for.

                Add to this Pacquiao's undeniably exciting rapid-fire attacking style, compared with Nonito's counterpunching sniper nature, and it's easy to see how one is more attractive to the layperson than the other.

                I feel sad, because even though Pacquiao's recent performances were far more disappointing than Nonito's, he's also still far more popular than him.

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                • liuj88
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by BabyFaceAssasin
                  Lol...damn that's drama right there. I think more filipinos have started following Boxing and Nonito has made a name for himself amongst both Filipinos and Boxing fans. I just expected more people to turn out for this.
                  I do what I can, specially when I meet Filipinos (and they have ALL heard of Pacquiao), to tell them about Nonito. I think if Nonito keeps doing what he's doing (and I hope he gets even better), he has to become more popular. Whether he'll follow Pacquiao's trajectory is a different matter.

                  Pacquiao, at his peak, is exciting, yes. But I don't think he has innate ring intelligence to allow him to adjust to changing scenarios. He's a very good soldier, and follows his trainer's instructions very well.

                  Donaire has higher ring intelligence, if not as much flash. To a boxing fan like me, this is much preferred, and deserves more recognition.

                  But life isn't fair, is it?
                  Last edited by liuj88; 10-06-2012, 02:09 AM.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by pbeer
                    I see, just trying to figure out what time to show up.. Tix say 4pm gates open, so im thinking undercards will start around 5pm?
                    gates open at 4pm like you said, first fight around 4:45, tv fights at 7. first fight on the untelevised undercard is ronald ellis vs katrell straus. there are 7 fights on the untelevised portion and the last one of those fights is the benavidez vs pavel miranda fight. then rios-alvarado followed by the main event...ill be there also, hope this helps

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