Martinez vs Chavez Jr : that 12th round is a problem

[Phantomas]

Of course it is a problem, name another top p4p that has been kissing the canvas this much lately. He must totally stay away from Golovkin, or even Pirog.

[kiaba360]

Of course it is a problem, name another top p4p that has been kissing the canvas this much lately. He must totally stay away from Golovkin, or even Pirog.

Yeah, and he's been beating the brakes off the guys that knock him down. What's the big deal with being KD?

[VapeRippa]

Yeah, and he's been beating the brakes off the guys that knock him down. What's the big deal with being KD?

That Phantomas guy's just butthurt his predictions are always wrong and suck @ss.

[Phantomas]

Yeah, and he's been beating the brakes off the guys that knock him down. What's the big deal with being KD?

Being Kd by a c fighter and have to drag yourself to the ropes for help?, that is a big deal.

That Phantomas guy's just butthurt his predictions are always wrong and suck @ss.

Even if that is true, who cares?. Iīm casual boxing fan, nothing more, nothing less. In the case of Martínez vs Chávez I always said to my friends, if Jr. does good preparation and comes strong he has good chances of defeating Martínez (by stoppage of course) or he is gonna get taken to dance all night. He didnīt have good conditiong (looked thin, slow and soft in comparison to the Lee fight) and he almost gets Martínez out of there. XD

[SPREAD]

Being Kd by a c fighter and have to drag yourself to the ropes for help?, that is a big deal.

Its a big deal if your a Mexican, having a granite chin and taking monster shots are all Mexicans have to hang there hat on by the end of their career with only one great win. see Margarito, hopefully one day Chavez willl get that win.


Disclaimer: Margarito has been knocked down and quit against Santos a C level fighter.

[kiaba360]

Being Kd by a c fighter and have to drag yourself to the ropes for help?, that is a big deal.

When you remove something from its proper context, you can make anything look like more than what it really is. Martinez gets up after being KD, would you have rather him stay on the canvas, so you can criticize him even more? Many have hit the deck, as long as they get back up and finish, it's all good. That moment in the 12th made his performance all the more memorable to me.

[oscar_angels091]

Equally as embarassing as getting schooled by a man old enough to be his father was when he yelled out "ja, ja" like a girl catching a tantrum in the corner after the 10th round when his father was trying to give him advice.

For those that dont speak spanish, Jr yelling "ja, ja" to his father is the same as him saying "enough already! I dont wanna hear it"

you mean "ya, ya"

[Phantomas]

Its a big deal if your a Mexican, having a granite chin and taking monster shots are all Mexicans have to hang there hat on by the end of their career with only one great win. see Margarito, hopefully one day Chavez willl get that win.


Disclaimer: Margarito has been knocked down and quit against Santos a C level fighter.

Yeah, it is a big deal because the other top p4ps donīt suffer like this against real fighters/boxers. Jr, Jr isnīt even an athlete.

When you remove something from its proper context, you can make anything look like more than what it really is. Martinez gets up after being KD, would you have rather him stay on the canvas, so you can criticize him even more? Many have hit the deck, as long as they get back up and finish, it's all good. That moment in the 12th made his performance all the more memorable to me.

The context is what it is, top p4ps in their prime arenīt supposed to suffer like this against c fighters.

[kiaba360]

Yeah, it is a big deal because the other top p4ps donīt suffer like this against real fighters/boxers. Jr, Jr isnīt even an athlete.



The context is what it is, top p4ps in their prime arenīt supposed to suffer like this against c fighters.

Chavez is a top 5 MW who enjoys a nice weight advantage on fight night. He knocks down an injured/tired Martinez with almost a minute to go in the last round. Sergio got up and made it out of the round, is that not enough? You make it sound as if Sergio has a bad chin or if he can't take a punch.

[TouchyAndalou]

For me, it's not the amount of power punches that Chavez landed in that last round that is a problem. Martinez was badly hurt after all and his legs and reactions were impaired, so it's no surprise he shipped more punishment. The issue in a rematch is that Chavez now knows that he can hurt Martinez. That's different than simply thinking that if you land flush you'll hurt him or believing that he's eventually going to wear down. Chavez now knows that he has the power to trouble Martinez, and, if he's able to deliver it, quite possibly end the fight. That could give him the encouragement to take more risks than he took in the first fight and put it on Martinez earlier.

Forget about the scores - the first fight was a tough one for Martinez, even outside of the last round. He had to be busier to keep Chavez off him and more focused for 12 rounds than he did against any of his recent opponents. Now that Chavez has the confidence of that final round behind him, a rematch could be tougher.