Freddie roach saves the day...

[FlatLine]

yeah, Pepper and Freddy had another brother named Joey, too...they all fought...

just to sidetrack with some questions for you coach scully:

do you think roach's time is over as a coach or at least should he seriously streamline and limit the number of fighters he "trains" simultaneously?

how much do you think he's to blame for the recent losses of some his fighters? shouldnt the coach of any world class fighter literally be on-call 24/7 for the entire training camp instead of spreading himself too thinly and diminishing the amount of quality time he spends with any one fighter?

and finally do you think roach's coaching capability is overrated and media-hyped, where in reality his recognition is mostly because of pacquiao's natural abilities as a fighter, rather than roach's ability as a trainer?

it'd be great to hear any opinions or insight you have.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

I will answer later tonight after the gym, my man...

[HughJass]

July 6, 1976, Hartford (Conn.) Civic Center
Hartford vs Lowell (Mass.) Amateur Boxing
135: Steve Hilyard, Bell Square vs Herbie Darity, Bellevue Square, EXHIBITION
147: Marlon Starling (age 17), Bellevue Square vs Anthony Moore, Bellevue Square EXHIBITION
60: Tom Gillespie Bellevue Square Hartford dec. Carlos Cruz, Lowell
80: Tony Judge, Nelson Memorial dec. Ralph Bracetti, Lowell
100: Roy Agar, Bellevuue Square RSC-2 Juan Collan, Lowell
100: Gerald Barnes, Bellevue Square RSC-1 Albert Muscanicz, Lowell
126: Levi Gillespie, Bellevue Square dec. Georgie Torrez, Lowell
126: William Farrell, Bellevue Square dec. Eddie Lugo, Lowell
112: Terry Pizzaro, Clay-Hill, Hartford RSC- Eddie Bracetti, Lowell
126: Marcus Starks, Nelson Memorial, Hartford RSC Ralph Rodriguez, Lowell
160: Eddie Foster, Bellevue Square dec. Al Donovan, Lowell
178: Tim Whelan, Naugatuck, Conn. Joe Velmure, Lowell
112: Freddie Roach, Lowell dec. Miguel Quiles, Nelson Memorial

Note: Miguel Quiles was a good fighter, too, winning the very prestigious Ohio State Fair in 1975...

wow more cool stuff from the iceman keep em coming sir

[HughJass]

hey iceman just a quick question,do you think it would benefit roach to just concentrate on a couple fighters due to his disease because to me he has deteriated quite bad in the last 2 years physically having such a heavy work load seems to be really taking its toll plus with junior messing him about in his last camp surely freddie doesnt need this

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

hey iceman just a quick question,do you think it would benefit roach to just concentrate on a couple fighters due to his disease because to me he has deteriated quite bad in the last 2 years physically having such a heavy work load seems to be really taking its toll plus with junior messing him about in his last camp surely freddie doesnt need this

Makes sense to me although, to be clear, I have no REAL idea on Freddie's condition...I can only go by what I see on TV.

[codey]

Good stuff Iceman. Thank you for you contribution. Freddie Roach is a legend! a true pioneer of the sport.

[HughJass]

Makes sense to me although, to be clear, I have no REAL idea on Freddie's condition...I can only go by what I see on TV.

thanks for the input iceman i think freddy is getting alot of hate on here recently and its not on the guy is a genius in my eyes thanks again iceman

[DeadLikeMe]

I just watched Starling-Breland on ESPN Classic the other day.

[strykr619]

I think people need to understand that with Parkinson's YOU NEED to keep the mind active. People rag on Roach a lot but I commend him for keeping up the fight. He just needs to make sure that his 2nd can properly give commands to his fighter come fight night so communication is on point (oh and his fighters NEED TO STICK TO THE GAMEPLAN).

[FlatLine]

thanks for the input iceman i think freddy is getting alot of hate on here recently and its not on the guy is a genius in my eyes thanks again iceman

basically freddie taught fighters how to fight similar to his own style, which in turn was an attempted imitation of roberto durans style because that was freddie's favorite fighter. there's nothing really genius about doing that in my opinion, it's pretty standard for trainers who were former fighters to do that. mccgirt did the same, which is why malignaggi said he left him.

as we've seen that duran style of fighting works for some fighters but not for all, the better trainers are able to train more than one specific style imo, and thats why i think freddie is a little overrated because he's a limited trainer, just as he was a limited fighter. i got nothing against him though, just calling it how i see it.