How can anyone defend Hopkins in the “who ducked who” wars for Roy?

[pturtle]

duck usually implies a fighter is scared of a guy.i seriously doubt hop was scared of roy and vice versa.hop just thought he was a bigger draw than he actually was after he beat tito,and roy put him in his place from a business standpoint

Duck doesn’t always mean that, and why fight Roy when he’s past his prime an give in to 50/50 then when Roy doesn’t deserve it? B-Hop wanted no part of prime Roy.

[r.burgundy]

Duck doesn’t always mean that, and why fight Roy when he’s past his prime an give in to 50/50 then when Roy doesn’t deserve it? B-Hop wanted no part of prime Roy.

he fought arguably the best version of roy and didnt get outclassed at all.
both of them wanted a money fight.who else are they fighting at that age lol.hbo brought it,so why not

[Heckler]

there was also things that happened behind closed doors. There's a hopkins interview that says he did accept 60/40 but when it came down to signing the contracts it wasn't 60/40 at all it was a lot less. That's hopkins side of the story of course but it should be considered.

Exactly it's a Hopkins story and it should be noted that he's full of **** on a routine basis.

[Heckler]

Wouldn't be a good fight anyway. Hopkins thrives against guys that push forward and engage. He measured and picks them apart. Jones only engaged on his terms and had the speed to ensure this was the case. Jones was cagey, elusive, and wouldn't be there for Bernard to tag. Even with all his technical prowess he wouldn't be able to measure a roy jones.

[ИATAS]

Its a duck when you call the guy out, talk all this trash about the guy, He said Toney ducked him at middleweight, then have a verbal agreement and decide last second to not fight the guy, not matter what weight it is. I think it was a smart decision of course but Hopkins should have never opened his mouth, especially toney who all fight anyone anywhere any time

how can hopkins decide "last second" if they never even had a contract? you're really reaching hard. if the money isn't right, if the weight isn't right, etc no fight. what was the catch weight 180? fight never really ever made sense, at any point in their careers. either timing was off or toney ate his way out of divisions.

[djtmal]

He was calling Roy out though, he was the one who said he wanted the best fighter in the world, and for a guy who couldn’t really get fights at the time deserves 50/50 with Mr HBO? lets be real here people if Floyd was in Roys position and Pac was in B-Hops position everyone would be saying Pac is ducking Floyd, hell they are saying it now even though he gave into every term possible to make the fight.

I respect B-Hop as a fighter but I can’t see how anyone can defend him in this case unless you are one of these pro black fighter lovers, or your from philly and have to defend him.

pturtle, nobody on here, would call me the greatest fan of bernard hopkins, but..

pturtle...leaving the mayweather, & pacquaio mess, out of this discussion, bernard hopkins, calling roy jones jr. out, in 2001, after winning the middleweight tournament, was the only option bernard hopkins had at that time, because he was as "on top" as he was gonna get, in getting parity, with roy jones jr., who held all the trump cards, in a rematch, imo...

in the end, still, it worked out better in bernard hopkins favor, from a business standpoint, because he remained @ middleweight long enough to secure an even bigger $ fight with the cash cow oscar de la hoya, moved up to lightheavyweight and beat the guy who ended roy jones jr's reign on top, was a part of more ppv fights over the long haul than roy jones jr., and was able to secure the rematch on his terms, and beat him pretty easily on the scorecards...pturtle, the most $ roy jones jr., ever made in a ppv event, was maybe $10 million for the john ruiz fight...imo, neither one of those guys ducked each other more, it was more of a pride thing...

[pturtle]

he fought arguably the best version of roy and didnt get outclassed at all.
both of them wanted a money fight.who else are they fighting at that age lol.hbo brought it,so why not

That was the best version or Roy? The one with a damaged hand? The one who wasn’t even a champion yet? No experience? HBO would have bought the one in 01-02 as well. B-Hop was the best light heavy at the time wasn’t he? he had many options.

Hopkins felt like he deserved 50/50 with a prime RJ, then he felt a past prime RJ also deserved 50/50? Thats insane and the fact that he made the fight agains t the shot Roy when he shouldn’t have, saids something.

[I Love Jesus!]

discussing who ducked who between two fighters who fought twice is an argument for the stupid

[pturtle]

pturtle, nobody on here, would call me the greatest fan of bernard hopkins, but..

pturtle...leaving the mayweather, & pacquaio mess, out of this discussion, bernard hopkins, calling roy jones jr. out, in 2001, after winning the middleweight tournament, was the only option bernard hopkins had at that time, because he was as "on top" as he was gonna get, in getting parity, with roy jones jr., who held all the trump cards, in a rematch, imo...

in the end, still, it worked out better in bernard hopkins favor, from a business standpoint, because he remained @ middleweight long enough to secure an even bigger $ fight with the cash cow oscar de la hoya, moved up to lightheavyweight and beat the guy who ended roy jones jr's reign on top, was a part of more ppv fights over the long haul than roy jones jr., and was able to secure the rematch on his terms, and beat him pretty easily on the scorecards...pturtle, the most $ roy jones jr., ever made in a ppv event, was maybe $10 million for the john ruiz fight...imo, neither one of those guys ducked each other more, it was more of a pride thing...

But you just said a bunch of irrelevant things i didn’t need to to hear. B-Hops success has nothing to do with this. You are basically saying B-Hop was smart not to fight Roy and that time because he did well not fighting Roy, thats cool, but if he cleaned out middleweight move up and fight Roy if not, keep fighting at middle who cares, but why call out RJ and not fight him? This topic is about Bernard did Bernard duck Roy, and i think its obvious he did AT THAT TIME. Money they made and who they fought after that is irrelevant.

[pturtle]

discussing who ducked who between two fighters who fought twice is an argument for the stupid

My god you are stupid its cool though.