Losing the mouthpiece at key moments

[DiegoFuego]

I can recall three times this happened in fights I actually care about. Let's review:

1. Hasim Rahman vs. Oleg Maskaev

In the 6th round, Rahman has Maskaev reeling from a pair of left hooks, and Maskaev loses his mouthpiece for the second time in the fight, this time on the verge of being dropped. Is it okay that Maskaev did this to save himself from being KO'ed?

2. Acelino Freitas vs. Diego Corrales

Freitas loses his mouthpiece three times after being dropped repeatedly by Corrales. He is penalized a point for excessive loss of the mouthpiece and gets stopped anyway. Is it okay that Freitas tried to buy himself some time? Why didn't it save him from being KO'ed by Corrales?

3. Jose Luis Castillo vs. Diego Corrales

Corrales spits his mouthpiece out twice after being dropped by Castillo twice. Corrales rallies to stop Castillo in the next 30 seconds. How was he able to win where Freitas was not? Are Maskaev and Corrales both undeserving of the victories they got?

Interested in your responses. When is it okay to lose the mouthpiece? When it's someone you hate on the receiving end of it? When it helps a fighter you dislike win a fight? When is it okay and when is it not, BoxingScene?

[DiegoFuego]

Tell me when it's okay and when it isn't. Were all three wrong for doing it or were they all fine doing it? I gotta know cuz this moral dilemma is tearing me up inside.

[jack_the_rippuh]

DiegoFuego, this is completely off-subject, but isn't what you say hypocritical?
I mean when Diego cheated he got punished for it, but still won the fight.
When Castillo cheated, he got punished for it, but still won the fight.

Why do you bash Castillo for what he did, but say nothing about Corrales and what he did?

Is it because you're a Corrales fan?

[Guest]

I know this isn't particularly relevant to your thread, but I saw some inconsequential Limeys on the David Haye undercard this week... one of them lost his mouthpiece and it landed on his box and stayed there.

[DiegoFuego]

DiegoFuego, this is completely off-subject, but isn't what you say hypocritical?
I mean when Diego cheated he got punished for it, but still won the fight.
When Castillo cheated, he got punished for it, but still won the fight.

Why do you bash Castillo for what he did, but say nothing about Corrales and what he did?

Is it because you're a Corrales fan?

Corrales got penalized during the fight. if you low blow a guy, it isn't cheating. it means you lose a point. what Castillo did was not only disgraceful to the sport, it was downright dangerous.

[jack_the_rippuh]

Corrales got penalized during the fight. if you low blow a guy, it isn't cheating. it means you lose a point. what Castillo did was not only disgraceful to the sport, it was downright dangerous.

Yeah, but one thing to remember - we're not talking about low blows.

What Corrales did wasn't a lowblow. He purposefully spit out his mouth piece to buy more time to recover from the punch he took...and as you said he got penalized.

What Castillo did was come in too heavy (I highly doubt it was on purpose, but I don't know that for a fact.) The thing is, Corrales chose to fight on - he didn't have to. Emmanuel Burton said it best in the interview he had,
"if you're going to choose to fight despite the other guy coming in too heavy and you get your ass knocked out - don't complain about it after the fact."
Regardless, Castillo was punished just as Corrales was punished for cheating, different circumstances, but both were punished nonetheless..and both cheated.

I got another question, though.
If Castillo landed that left hook after weighing in at 135lbs (at the weigh in) would Corrales be able to recover?

[JMCbulls]

undeserving, no, but there will always b disscusion and controversy over these. i cant wait for the III castillo corrales fight, after each of them took and advantage in an illegal way in the past 2

[DiEgO_cHiCo_CoRRaLeS]

i think its alright to buy yourself time if you think your about to lose, you should do ANYTHING it takes to win weather its legal or not! its smart to spit your mouthpeice out if you are in trouble of being ko'ed!

[MetalVomit]

Corrales got penalized during the fight. if you low blow a guy, it isn't cheating. it means you lose a point. what Castillo did was not only disgraceful to the sport, it was downright dangerous.

Corrales was penalized, and a point was taken off. Castillo was penalized, and he was denied the chance to win the championship.

Both men cheated, both men were penalized.

[Nautilus]

Yeah, but one thing to remember - we're not talking about low blows.

What Corrales did wasn't a lowblow. He purposefully spit out his mouth piece to buy more time to recover from the punch he took...and as you said he got penalized.

What Castillo did was come in too heavy (I highly doubt it was on purpose, but I don't know that for a fact.) The thing is, Corrales chose to fight on - he didn't have to. Emmanuel Burton said it best in the interview he had,
"if you're going to choose to fight despite the other guy coming in too heavy and you get your ass knocked out - don't complain about it after the fact."
Regardless, Castillo was punished just as Corrales was punished for cheating, different circumstances, but both were punished nonetheless..and both cheated.

I got another question, though.
If Castillo landed that left hook after weighing in at 135lbs (at the weigh in) would Corrales be able to recover?

Jack, is this you?