Comments Thread For: Roach on Khan, Pacquiao's Fourth Duel With Marquez

[southpaw_07]

Lol...Freddie wanted Manny to fight Garcia instead of JMM...to show that he's the best trainer around...Why not fight the best welterweights out there instead of taking on a 2nd tier 140 guy?
Freddie obviously lost it there..I think Khan made the right choice to leave Freddie before Parkinson is taking over Freddie completely..its sad though

[WESS]

yeah, I used to get a kick out of when people were saying Khan would run over Floyd after Khan beat Judah. really ridiculous.

All of Roach's fighters did NOT lose this year though. Manny beat the wheels off Timmy, literally.

At the end of the day Pac lost and when historians look back on it they will see a loss and look to the rematch for a better understanding. However Pac ducked the rematch.

This is what TRUE Champions do when they lose a fight even though EVERYONE knew he was going to win and would have won.



Jones took the rematch and proved that he in FACT was going to win. Yet Jones still in fact has that loss on his record to this day and when historians look back on it, they see the rematch and what happened. Didn't matter that everyone knew he would have won the first fight, he actually took the rematch and DID win. No IF ands or buts about it.

Pac officially lost no matter what anyone thinks and he had a chance to refute it but ducked it because he wanted Cotto at a cathcweight (again). That my friend is what I call a disgrace. Luckily Cotto said no, yet now we have Pac fighting a fighter from a smaller weight class yet again. A completely pointless fight at this point, just as a Cotto rematch would have been.

[Carpe Diem]

Roach is salty. Why am i not surprised? Like trainer, like boxer. They're both seeking attention whores.

[ddangerous]

At the end of the day Pac lost and when historians look back on it they will see a loss and look to the rematch for a better understanding. However Pac ducked the rematch.

This is what TRUE Champions do when they lose a fight even though EVERYONE knew he was going to win and would have won.



Jones took the rematch and proved that he in FACT was going to win. Yet Jones still in fact has that loss on his record to this day and when historians look back on it, they see the rematch and what happened. Didn't matter that everyone knew he would have won the first fight, he actually took the rematch and DID win. No IF ands or buts about it.

Pac officially lost no matter what anyone thinks and he had a chance to refute it but ducked it because he wanted Cotto at a cathcweight (again). That my friend is what I call a disgrace. Luckily Cotto said no, yet now we have Pac fighting a fighter from a smaller weight class yet again. A completely pointless fight at this point, just as a Cotto rematch would have been.

With all due respect, Wess, I couldn't disagree with your comparison more. I LOVE RJJ, but he "lost" the first match with Griffin on a questionable (and pretty bogus I admit) DQ. However, there were still a lot of folks who were on the fence with whether or not the DQ was justified so it completely tainted a match Roy was on his way to winning by KO. The Pac/Bradley fight was very different. There was nothing questionable about anything Manny did that night except dominate a guy with no answers. When the decision was read, EVERYBODY was surprised because NOBODY thought Bradley won. (I realize a few people will say they scored the fight for Bradley, but there are always those who will say anything to disagree with the public consensus.) Pretty much everyone at the fight saw Pacquiao whoop Tim Bradley. It was just a robbery. That is what it was. Their fight wasn't exciting either. It was boring because it wasn't competitive. I would rather see Pac facing Bradley again ONLY over JMM IV. HOWEVER, there are several other fights that could be made for Pacquiao that I, as a fan, would rather see than Tim again. History books be damned. I wouldn't be surprised if eventually, the history books were re-written to show who REALLY won that fight. As far as Cotto, I never was given any reason to believe Pacquiao was pushing for Cotto II either. I believe that was much more Arum than Pacquiao, and to dog Manny for opting out of a Bradley rematch to take on the much more challenging Mexican legend in JMM, is something I could not disagree with more.

[WESS]

With all due respect, Wess, I couldn't disagree with your comparison more. I LOVE RJJ, but he "lost" the first match with Griffin on a questionable (and pretty bogus I admit) DQ. However, there were still a lot of folks who were on the fence with whether or not the DQ was justified so it completely tainted a match Roy was on his way to winning by KO. The Pac/Bradley fight was very different. There was nothing questionable about anything Manny did that night except dominate a guy with no answers. When the decision was read, EVERYBODY was surprised because NOBODY thought Bradley won. (I realize a few people will say they scored the fight for Bradley, but there are always those who will say anything to disagree with the public consensus.) Pretty much everyone at the fight saw Pacquiao whoop Tim Bradley. It was just a robbery. That is what it was. Their fight wasn't exciting either. It was boring because it wasn't competitive. I would rather see Pac facing Bradley again ONLY over JMM IV. HOWEVER, there are several other fights that could be made for Pacquiao that I, as a fan, would rather see than Tim again. History books be damned. I wouldn't be surprised if eventually, the history books were re-written to show who REALLY won that fight. As far as Cotto, I never was given any reason to believe Pacquiao was pushing for Cotto II either. I believe that was much more Arum than Pacquiao, and to dog Manny for opting out of a Bradley rematch to take on the much more challenging Mexican legend in JMM, is something I could not disagree with more.

But you missed the point. Should Roy just have walked away because everyone knew he was going to win anyway? Hell no. DQ or not he lost and when I look at his record today, he still has that loss. When he retires and the historians go back and review his legacy, they will see that loss and see the rematch for a further understanding of what happened.

I would love to see a rematch with Bradley and I'm not even a Bradley fan. However I enjoyed it, especially when I re-watched it with no sound. It wasn't boring at all (Jones Hopkins II was boring). In fact I ate my words because I said Bradley was going to be murdered. He held his own and when its all said and done, did he look like Hatton? Hoya? Cotto? Margarito? No, the worst thing that happened to him was he fractured his ankle. Pac missed more than people think. Im not saying Bradley won at all, i'm saying he didn't do NEARLY as bad as people want to think.

Anyway point being, Roy Jones was winning and it would have been a **** thing to do to not have a rematch even though EVERYONE knew he was going to destroy the guy that took his "0". Pac on the other hand didn't and I find that VERY disappointing. JMM vs Pac makes zero sense boxing wise. Financially it makes dollars and cents and I understand that, however I still think it's a waste as even IF JMM wins, so what? Will they fight once again? Then once again if JMM wins that just so it's not even?

[ddangerous]

But you missed the point. Should Roy just have walked away because everyone knew he was going to win anyway? Hell no. DQ or not he lost and when I look at his record today, he still has that loss. When he retires and the historians go back and review his legacy, they will see that loss and see the rematch for a further understanding of what happened.

I would love to see a rematch with Bradley and I'm not even a Bradley fan. However I enjoyed it, especially when I re-watched it with no sound. It wasn't boring at all (Jones Hopkins II was boring). In fact I ate my words because I said Bradley was going to be murdered. He held his own and when its all said and done, did he look like Hatton? Hoya? Cotto? Margarito? No, the worst thing that happened to him was he fractured his ankle. Pac missed more than people think. Im not saying Bradley won at all, i'm saying he didn't do NEARLY as bad as people want to think.

Anyway point being, Roy Jones was winning and it would have been a **** thing to do to not have a rematch even though EVERYONE knew he was going to destroy the guy that took his "0". Pac on the other hand didn't and I find that VERY disappointing. JMM vs Pac makes zero sense boxing wise. Financially it makes dollars and cents and I understand that, however I still think it's a waste as even IF JMM wins, so what? Will they fight once again? Then once again if JMM wins that just so it's not even?

Fair enough. I fully respect your opinion and point of view. I just think we are at a bit of an impasse here because we both don't feel that the historical record merits the same power in terms of what dictates who Pacquiao fights next. For you, it's to clarify for future generations who truly was the best and I can again respect that. But for me it's just knowing who won deep down. For me, when crazy stuff like this happen in boxing (Floyd/Ortiz suddenly comes to mind), I just don't think it always warrants an immediate rematch, or even perhaps a rematch ever at all. With Manny and Bradley, I'm sure you will get your rematch though. But I sure hope it isn't before we see Manny and Floyd lace them up, if they ever do.

[WESS]

Fair enough. I fully respect your opinion and point of view. I just think we are at a bit of an impasse here because we both don't feel that the historical record merits the same power in terms of what dictates who Pacquiao fights next. For you, it's to clarify for future generations who truly was the best and I can again respect that. But for me it's just knowing who won deep down. For me, when crazy stuff like this happen in boxing (Floyd/Ortiz suddenly comes to mind), I just don't think it always warrants an immediate rematch, or even perhaps a rematch ever at all. With Manny and Bradley, I'm sure you will get your rematch though. But I sure hope it isn't before we see Manny and Floyd lace them up, if they ever do.

The thing is, what happens when you're gone? When I'm gone? When the next generation comes around? I mean they can look at Youtube and gather a conclusion but the hype won't be there and the biased eyes will no longer be there. Just a win or loss and nobody would really care. I mean people are already dismissing the Martinez PWill fight due to the rematch. People would dismiss Bradley's victory over Pac if Pac took the rematch like a champion should to reclaim his belt. I mean Pac is essentially giving up and letting Tim keep his belt. That is crap, imo.

Either way I respect your opinion and I admit, I'm just disappointed (once again) with Pac and his selections. I've had this disappointment since 2008-2009. Anyway Pac JMM IV should still be entertaining but completely pointless IMO.

[Southpaw21]

I'm not going to bash Freddy Roach. I respect what he's accomplished as a fighter & trainer. Also not a fan of Khan. but think he's making the right move by getting a new trainer. I would suggest he train with Micky Ward & **** Eklund for his next fight & survives the grueling workouts then he should hire them.(if they want him) The clock is ticking.

"If a fighter & trainer doesn't jell it won't work"--Angelo Dundee--

[r.castaneda]

as much as i really want to see this fight, i dont like it simply b-cuz they'll rob marquez again. he won the last 1. even Roach sed so. marquez won almost every round. i dont want to believe that manny has the fkn judges in his pocket like *****-ass floyd jr. does. but then again they robbed him against bradley when it wuz clearly obvious bradley didn't win. the 1 thing thats for certain is that it will be another war. Dinamita Explota!

[megas30]

Pac vs Khan....let's get it on!!!