The Weak Era Fallacy

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  • Nagabilly
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    The Weak Era Fallacy

    I was browsing through some boxing websites and I came across this, I find it pretty interesting and to an extent I sort of agree.

    The “Weak Era” Fallacy: There is no questioning that some fighters were forced to deal with tougher opponents than others. Other times, however, a lot of greats get docked points for fighting in supposedly weak eras, despite the fact that it was their their very dominance that prevented anyone else from becoming great.

    Historically, fighters benefit when they participate during a time when there was parody. You see a bunch of good and evenly-contested fights and the tendency is to rank the fighter who came out ahead in the whole mess higher than a guy who just knocks everyone cold. For example, you will invariably see Evander Holyfield ranked higher than Wladimir Klitschko on all-time lists. Holyfield fought during a good era, winning most, but losing his share along the way. Klitschko has just dominated everyone, unbeaten for many years.

    This might be a bad example because in this case, the popular notion is actually correct. But if Klitschko and his brother never boxed, someone else would have been the champion. There may have been several guys in the mix, competing in even fights and getting credited for being good fighters. Who knows? But utter dominance of contemporaries doesn’t necessarily equate to a weak era.




    What do you think?
  • GrandpaBernard
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    Originally posted by Nagabilly
    I was browsing through some boxing websites and I came across this, I find it pretty interesting and to an extent I sort of agree.

    The “Weak Era” Fallacy: There is no questioning that some fighters were forced to deal with tougher opponents than others. Other times, however, a lot of greats get docked points for fighting in supposedly weak eras, despite the fact that it was their their very dominance that prevented anyone else from becoming great.

    Historically, fighters benefit when they participate during a time when there was parody. You see a bunch of good and evenly-contested fights and the tendency is to rank the fighter who came out ahead in the whole mess higher than a guy who just knocks everyone cold. For example, you will invariably see Evander Holyfield ranked higher than Wladimir Klitschko on all-time lists. Holyfield fought during a good era, winning most, but losing his share along the way. Klitschko has just dominated everyone, unbeaten for many years.

    This might be a bad example because in this case, the popular notion is actually correct. But if Klitschko and his brother never boxed, someone else would have been the champion. There may have been several guys in the mix, competing in even fights and getting credited for being good fighters. Who knows? But utter dominance of contemporaries doesn’t necessarily equate to a weak era.




    What do you think?
    It can be true but varies case by case depending on which weak era boxer it is. I think this stems from people's tendency to glorify and lionize the overcoming of struggles. They want drama and can't help but despise someone that's much greater than they ever will be.

    You could also argue that the winners of these fights two "elites" have shown battle tested skills. What's important though is competence in boxing knowledge. Those passing judgement must know enough about boxing in able to recognize the skills displayed during a fight.

    When I'm watching Leonard-Hearns, I see two highly skilled operators. If Mayweather's fighting, he's doing that dance alone. He's better skill wise or just as good at the least, but it's only him doing all that fancy advanced **** during his fights. His opponents are nowhere near his level.

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    • Daddy T
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      look its simple ... watch bowe v holyfield.

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