If Alvarez doesn't want to fight any 154lbs contendors...

[915angel]

depending on who wins martinez/chavez #1 IF martinez won i can see martinez going to 154 or 150 for mayweather (biggest payday for martinez) #2 IF chavez won i can see a chavez/canelo fight at 157 (catchweight) despite tp vs gbp this fight will generate crazy $ in mexico

[BoxingFanatik]

LMAO. Hes been offered the Chavez fight before. And Cinamon turned it down, Golden Boy even went on record as saying that a fight with Chavez Jr was not in their future. So what makes you think he'd step up and fight the winner of that fight?

Canelo is happy fighting Golden Boy fighters from 147 and now 140. He hasnt even faced any top 154 competition. He'd never have the balls to step up to 160. Never!

[New England]

If Lopez beats Canelo, I hope somebody makes a caption of him saying that lol

if lopez breaks canelo's jawpiece NSB will never be the same.

hell, lopez would almost certainly win the fighter of the year award, considering that everybody else has done so little.

[boliodogs]

I HATE that Cotto isn't doing himself justice by trying to fight the top LMWs, just makes his career easier to criticize. Fighting Foreman was fine, but Mayorga was throwaway. Margarito fight was irrelevant in the grand scheme, but it was significant for him because he needed to get over that obstacle. Beating Margarito was a personal victory, that's it. Canelo already has built-in excuses if he fights Cotto/Mayweather and loses. Cotto is nearing the twilight of his career while Canelo is about to reach his prime. Cotto shouldn't be held to the same standard when he's already done work in previous divisions, it's become clear that Cotto's decisions are more influenced by the $$$. Canelo is being treated as if he has the stature of a Cotto already, but his current resume doesn't support that. I'm a Cotto fan because he fought everyone there was to fight (except Hatton). He's had some throwaway fights and was a TR product, but he was brought up in a way that I can respect. Canelo is still being protected, yet in the same breath is said to be the future. GB isn't even trying to put him in a position where he can't be criticized. I know it ain't his responsibility, but at the end of the day, he's the one who has to step in between those ropes. He's the one who will be talking to the media and attempting to sell his fights to us. He's the one who said, “There are no small fights at this level or small fighters! I’m preparing for the most dangerous fight of my career". And I know, there will come a time where he'll have to fight Vanes/Lara/Kirk/Molina, but I'm tired of waiting. I'm tired of a guy's lack of earning potential being viewed as a legit excuse to avoid them.

I'm not directly blaming Canelo, but it'll always sound that way because he's the beneficiary of preferential treatment. When you have the WBC saying you can't take a fight with Trout because they would strip you, that can only happens with guys who are under the Rising Star protection plan.

And you're right about Rhodes being a contender. That guy was just not on my radar at all, but he was #3 WBC so fair is fair.

I agree with everything you just said, my friend. I blame Golden Boy and not Canelo. I believe he would be happy to fight guys like Trout and Lara if they would just let him fight and have some faith in his ability.

[Bermuda]

LMAO. Hes been offered the Chavez fight before. And Cinamon turned it down, Golden Boy even went on record as saying that a fight with Chavez Jr was not in their future. So what makes you think he'd step up and fight the winner of that fight?

Canelo is happy fighting Golden Boy fighters from 147 and now 140. He hasnt even faced any top 154 competition. He'd never have the balls to step up to 160. Never!

i thought chavez jr turned down the fight because he didn't want to fight at a catchweight (i think gbp offered 156lbs)...which is understandable because he is a big middleweight...

[Bushbaby]

i thought chavez jr turned down the fight because he didn't want to fight at a catchweight (i think gbp offered 156lbs)...which is understandable because he is a big middleweight...

I cannot even begin to explain just how much the bold does not make sense. Chavez has problems making 160 because he is a big middleweight. Therefore if golden boy offered 156 2lb's over 154, they obviously didn't want the fight.

[New England]

I cannot even begin to explain just how much the bold does not make sense. Chavez has problems making 160 because he is a big middleweight. Therefore if golden boy offered 156 2lb's over 154, they obviously didn't want the fight.

why would they want the fight?

chavez jr works for somebody else...


if those two are ever going to fight it wont be at this stage in their careers, where the money won't be that good, and the loser will take a step back that he'll possibly never regain.

[$tate of Mind]

you guys really are naive, aren't you?

a 22 year old boxer does not pick his opponents.

these guys take punches to the head for a living. they are not in charge of a multi million dollar enterprise like goldenboy promotions. all they do is train and fight when they're 22 years old.

you try and maintain a vendetta against alvarez, when he's not the person making these matches. take it up with goldenboy promotions and the general philosophy of moving a young fighter with a high potential for earning money. that's where your beef is.

Lol are you serious? You would be foolish to think a fighter has no say so in who they fight. Hello who ultimately has to sign the contract? The notion that fighters don't control who they fight is ridiculous. What if Alvarez gave GBP an ultimatum and refused to fight Lopez and demanded to fight somebody like Lara? Fighters are ultimately responsible for who they fight.

[$tate of Mind]

LMAO. Hes been offered the Chavez fight before. And Cinamon turned it down, Golden Boy even went on record as saying that a fight with Chavez Jr was not in their future. So what makes you think he'd step up and fight the winner of that fight?

Canelo is happy fighting Golden Boy fighters from 147 and now 140. He hasnt even faced any top 154 competition. He'd never have the balls to step up to 160. Never!

I never said it was likely, it's just what I would like to see as a boxing fan.

[New England]

Lol are you serious? You would be foolish to think a fighter has no say so in who they fight. Hello who ultimately has to sign the contract? The notion that fighters don't control who they fight is ridiculous. What if Alvarez gave GBP an ultimatum and refused to fight Lopez and demanded to fight somebody like Lara? Fighters are ultimately responsible for who they fight.

they'd put him into hibernation. cold freeze. if he went out of his way to start running his mouth about something like that to the media they'd probably intentionally try and ruin his career. it would never happen. it's very obvious that canelo is doing his best to play ball with goldenboy. he's not a dumb guy. he knows his place.


you clearly follow the top fighters only. (pacquiao and mayweather perhaps? that's where it sounds like you've developed your understanding of the workings of boxing.)

there's some autonomy for top earning fighters with many years in the game. for canelo, an upstart with a long term deal with goldenboy there is virtually no autonomy. none

you play ball with the guys who can make you a multimillionaire by the time you're 25. you don't piss them off.


why is canelo a star / big name in boxing?
one reason :
goldenboy promotions. turning canelo into a star costs them millions. down the line it will pay of, when he's making seven or eight figures fighting floyd mayweather.