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  • #31
    Originally posted by D4thincarnation View Post
    Pacquiao a fast starter, very accurate, great combos and a very good guard for the amateurs.

    A cert for the Gold Medal.
    Manny doesnt take tests 2 months out, how is he going to do them for a full year?

    Can you ask for catchweights in the Olympics?

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    • #32
      Originally posted by nachorjj View Post
      light flyweight 49kg,

      flyweight 52kg, Guillermo Rigondeaux

      bantamweight 56kg, Lomachenko

      lightweight 60kg, Khan

      light welterweight 64kg, Floyd Mayweather

      welterweight 69kg, Manny Pacquiao

      middleweight 75kg, Andre Ward

      light heavyweight 81kg, de la Cruz

      heavyweight 91kg, Odlanier Solis

      super heavyweight + 91kg Wladimir
      Did you mean to put Floyd at light welter weight and Manny at welter? If yes, I think you should consider flipping them. Floyd is the one who is currently the 154 pound champ and Manny the one that would make 141 much easier.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by D4thincarnation View Post
        What has it come to when people think prizefighting is about hitting and running and not getting involved in a rumble.

        And where the flamboyant unorthodox big puncher is made for the amateurs

        No wonder boxing is on the decline in America

        Hooper would KO Browne in the pros, lucky he had that head guard on today.
        You still don't get it...

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        • #34
          Originally posted by jayjames616 View Post
          Floyd doesn't have the "amateur" style but you guys are getting carried away. At the end of the day its still boxing and the better boxer wins 90% of the time. I hate Olympic scoring but in most part its still hit and don't get hit and Floyd is the BEST at that. Floyd lands scoring shots no matter how scoring is done and even at Floyd's advanced age and not as lively legs he is still VERY hard to land clean on.
          Do people forget? Floyd is a former olympian, he got bronze, not gold. They didn't favor his style. Whether his opponent lands clean is practically irrelevant. They would give the opponent credit for landing on his shoulders and arms, and being more active. Also Floyd's speciality at this stage of the game is victory through patience and attrition. The olympics 3 round system doesn't lend to that. That plus the headgear will allow Floyd's shoe shiner opponent to endure his power punching and counters. Floyd would have to knock his opponent out to win a three round olympic fight against a shoe shiner with a good jab. Unlikely with the headgear.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Syf View Post
            Do people forget? Floyd is a former olympian, he got bronze, not gold. They didn't favor his style. Whether his opponent lands clean is practically irrelevant. They would give the opponent credit for landing on his shoulders and arms, and being more active. Also Floyd's speciality at this stage of the game is victory through patience and attrition. The olympics 3 round system doesn't lend to that. That plus the headgear will allow Floyd's shoe shiner opponent to endure his power punching and counters. Floyd would have to knock his opponent out to win a three round olympic fight against a shoe shiner with a good jab. Unlikely with the headgear.
            you got it in reverse man. its in the pros where you can get credit for throwing punches in bunches and being aggressive regardless if you land cleanly or not. being ineffective but getting credit for pure acitivity.

            in the amateur ranks its all about pin point accuracy, you dont get any points at all for landing on someones arms and shulders in the ams. no credit for being more active, its all about precision.

            floyd got robbed in the olympics, he won the semi final big and they took it from him. he had been a great amateur for years leding up to the olympics though.

            i do agree he would have to somewhat change his style to box in the amateur ranks now, but so would almost any proffessional. it would be an insult to say they didnt as that would mean they never adapted to the pro ranks. floyd however with his skills, former amateur experience and ability to adapt to anything in a boxing ring would have a very good shot at doing well in the olympics.

            he would have to come out faster for sure and throw more punches but i dont see why he couldnt do that. he wouldnt have to be as careful in the ams against most opponents since they dont focus as much on power. at the end of the day his boxing ability is so far beyond everyone else i dont see how he isnt a favorite. shoe shining is a terrible style for amateur boxing, they wouldnt get credit for just staying busy they would have to land clean.
            Last edited by #1Assassin; 07-30-2012, 03:12 PM.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by #1Assassin View Post
              you got it in reverse man. its in the pros where you can get credit for throwing punches in bunches and being aggressive regardless if you land cleanly or not. being ineffective but getting credit for pure acitivity.

              in the amateur ranks its all about pin point accuracy, you dont get any points at all for landing on someones arms and shulders in the ams. no credit for being more active, its all about precision.

              floyd got robbed in the olympics, he won the semi final big and they took it from him. he had been a great amateur for years leding up to the olympics though.

              i do agree he would have to somewhat change his style to box in the amateur ranks now, but so would almost any proffessional. it would be an insult to say they didnt as that would mean they never adapted to the pro ranks. floyd however with his skills, former amateur experience and ability to adapt to anything in a boxing ring would have a very good shot at doing well in the olympics.

              he would have to come out faster for sure and throw more punches but i dont see why he couldnt do that. he wouldnt have to be as careful in the ams against most opponents since they dont focus as much on power. at t he end of the day his boxing ability is so far beyond everyone else i dont see how he isnt a favorite. shoe shining is a terrible style for amateur boxing, they wouldnt get credit for just staying busy they would have to land clean.
              The practice of judging whether a punch "lands clean" is a subjective art. You say Floyd was robbed, which in all intents and purposes is true, he got the better of that fight; but I still hold that in an abbreviated fight, that is points driven only, the less active defensive fighter is at a instant disadvantage. Look at other gold medalists, Oscar and Ali. They took it to their opponents. Oscar had those fast aggressive combos, and Ali just outworked and decimated his opponent I believe. Neither fought defensively.

              If Floyd changed his game plan, he definitely has the tools to win by KO.. But it would be hard for him to win a decision for olympic gold. As evidenced from before.

              Edit- also evidence of how f'd up olympic scoring is: Roy, one of the most physically gifted fighters of all time, only got silver back when he was a beast
              Last edited by Syf; 07-30-2012, 04:17 PM.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by nachorjj View Post
                light flyweight 49kg,

                flyweight 52kg, Guillermo Rigondeaux

                bantamweight 56kg, Lomachenko

                lightweight 60kg, Khan

                light welterweight 64kg, Floyd Mayweather

                welterweight 69kg, Manny Pacquiao

                middleweight 75kg, Andre Ward

                light heavyweight 81kg, de la Cruz

                heavyweight 91kg, Odlanier Solis

                super heavyweight + 91kg Wladimir
                @ solis at 91Kg....I think you mean 91 stones

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Syf View Post
                  Do people forget? Floyd is a former olympian, he got bronze, not gold. They didn't favor his style. Whether his opponent lands clean is practically irrelevant. They would give the opponent credit for landing on his shoulders and arms, and being more active. Also Floyd's speciality at this stage of the game is victory through patience and attrition. The olympics 3 round system doesn't lend to that. That plus the headgear will allow Floyd's shoe shiner opponent to endure his power punching and counters. Floyd would have to knock his opponent out to win a three round olympic fight against a shoe shiner with a good jab. Unlikely with the headgear.
                  Floyd clearly was robbed in that fight. ANYBODY can lose if they get robbed.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by #1Assassin View Post
                    you got it in reverse man. its in the pros where you can get credit for throwing punches in bunches and being aggressive regardless if you land cleanly or not. being ineffective but getting credit for pure acitivity.

                    in the amateur ranks its all about pin point accuracy, you dont get any points at all for landing on someones arms and shulders in the ams. no credit for being more active, its all about precision.

                    floyd got robbed in the olympics, he won the semi final big and they took it from him. he had been a great amateur for years leding up to the olympics though.

                    i do agree he would have to somewhat change his style to box in the amateur ranks now, but so would almost any proffessional. it would be an insult to say they didnt as that would mean they never adapted to the pro ranks. floyd however with his skills, former amateur experience and ability to adapt to anything in a boxing ring would have a very good shot at doing well in the olympics.

                    he would have to come out faster for sure and throw more punches but i dont see why he couldnt do that. he wouldnt have to be as careful in the ams against most opponents since they dont focus as much on power. at the end of the day his boxing ability is so far beyond everyone else i dont see how he isnt a favorite. shoe shining is a terrible style for amateur boxing, they wouldnt get credit for just staying busy they would have to land clean.
                    This is exactly how I see it.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by D4thincarnation View Post
                      The amateur game is different to the pro game, much more about landing the scoring punches, only 3 rounds and head guards. Also stricter refereeing, adhering to the rules.

                      So which of the pro boxer's would be the Olympic Champion under these conditions?




                      light flyweight 49kg, Roman Gonzalez

                      flyweight 52kg,

                      bantamweight 56kg, Guillermo Rigondeaux

                      lightweight 60kg, Yuriorkis Gamboa

                      light welterweight 64kg, Amir Khan


                      welterweight 69kg, Manny Pacquiao

                      middleweight 75kg, Peter Quillin

                      light heavyweight 81kg, Andre Ward

                      heavyweight 91kg, Yoan Pablo Hernandez

                      super heavyweight + 91kg David Haye
                      that's the big three.

                      lara would be a stud as well.

                      and linares might give gamboa a run for his cash, with his height and boxing skills

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